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Instead of a red mirage, we got a blue stayathomeandnotvote. Harris got 10-13M votes less than Biden in 2020, and even Trump seems to be getting less votes than the last time (counting still ongoing). I was told there would be a record turnout in this election.
How about this: minorities shifted TOWARDS Trump!
Yep. It's truly been an election that's not missing drama. Two assassination attempts, sitting president dropping out with 4 months left, open fascism, couch fucking, non-white female runner for the first time, all polls absolutely incorrect... Just to get an orange shit heap to fuck over Ukraine, Palestine and our climate. Could Igo back to the boring Obama years, please?
'member when one of the highlights was "these two should settle it with a pokemon battle"?
Again the polls seemed to be OK. I need to have the article ready with the headline "We are a normal polling error away from a landslide victory for either candidate".
Actually, no. If the landslide victory was within the normal polling error, like it was, you would see some polls giving a big margin for Harris, some for Trump and some having them tied. When all polls are indicating a very close race, something is off. Perhaps bad sampling, people refusing to reveal their candidate or some sort of consensus seeking in the polling methodology.
I said all along that there's no such thing as an undecided voters jn this election. There are voters who want to not have trump and then everybody else. The everybody else part are all traitors to what this country stands for.
Those assignation attempts were cover for when the Heritage Foundariin assassinate the unstable idiot. They'll martyr him.
Shifted, or did the minorities who previously voted for Democrats stay home this time?
It's both. Diaper boy did better than ever with black and hispanic voters. Turnout was also lower.
The super misogynist manosphere influencers Trump went on a big run of interviews with make the big difference here. So many highly toxic GenZ males because of shit bags like that and A LOT of young non-white men listen to those podcasts and watch those videos
That is a distinction without a difference.
No it’s not. Voter disenfranchisement is more advanced than it previously was, especially for minority voters, and it may not have been a real choice not to vote, but rather last moment voter roll purges, late absentee ballots, or simply not being able to make it through the line before closing time. Even if it was just a lack of motivation, inertia is not the same as accelerationism even though they have the same effect, and it’s reasonable to be curious about whether people stayed home or specifically voted for a person who’s been pretty heavily targeting them this campaign season.
Finding out why people stayed home is essential.
According to all my convos dems weren't progressive enough to let win. Sooo they let Trump win....
That's a bold strategy, let's see if it pans out.
Well if the dems shatter it will guarantee GOP victory for years.
I wish they went with my plan and kept teaming up against the GOP for now and then turn on the dems once the nazis are out.
Though i get the feeling if everyone did, the dems would end being being just like the GOP once they see all the free votes sitting there.
I think the pandemic also played huge a part (obviously). People were worried about going out, so they sent mail in ballots. On top of that a lot of people were at home. They had nothing to do and Trump was botching things so badly, going to the polls wasn’t a chore. A little scary? Maybe.
A lot of those people may have been stuck at work this time around. We need to make Election Day a federal holiday.
Not that anyone in power will be motivated to do such a thing.
It blows my mind that Donald Trump is so popular. I can’t understand it at all. I really can’t. I didn’t cry this time around though. I knew it was possible at least.
No it's not. People won't participate in a system they feel only exists to harm them. If i am at a bar and one bartender says they are gonna kill me if i dont tip 50% and the other bar tender says that they'll only rough me up a bit if i I don't tip 30%, not getting a drink from either.
People would rather not participate instead of legitimize a system that only does them harm.
OK but the first guy is still going to kill you
I'm really hoping that this wasn't the reasoning people had for throwing the planet under the bus
People have been screaming at you for 8 years that "Not Trump" is not a viable election strategy. You need to offer an actual, concrete alternative. Until the Democrats start actually offer real alternatives, they will continue to be shocked these results.
I don't need to offer anything. I'm from a country with a parliament, ranked choice voting, proportional representation. But if you still don't get that not Trump should absolutely be better than "whatever, I guess", you deserve what's coming.
So you believe that people who don't vote for what you want deserve punishment?
Punishment? No. To get exactly what they actively chose to make happen? Of course.
Interesting that you'd frame "consequences if their actions" as "punishment". Because punishment is usually a consequence of your actions, while not all consequences are punishment.
I agree with most everything you said.
Except, the planet will be fine. We're killing our ability to live on it for sure but the earth will go on even if it's just microbes for a few million years
Yeah cool Malcolm, it's been 30 years, you don't need to give this speech every time uses it as shorthand for "in the context of our continued survival on it".
It's an important distinction, imo. "Everything dies" vs "humans die"
Luckily the truth is pretty far in the middle.
It isn't really since we know that low turnout elections tend to lean to the right.
People are sexist, who knew? The patriarchy is alive and thriving.
I was I could blame the patriarchy but the numbers are consistent for dem votes going back to 2004. The extra people who voted in 2020 didn't show up again.
Sure is!.. and deciding to change candidate without a democratic primary was part of finding that out.
Gen-Z men also shifted towards Trump.
So progress is unfortunately not linear, but can slip back to darker times. Which is not great.
Edit: Also, though I think lots of Trump voters vote for him because he's unusual. They see him as a vote against the usual. Against establishment candidates, and against the standard social-political contract. So establishment candidates being disconnected from what voters actually want is a big part of it.
Depressed turnout has always been how Republicans win.
Yeah, except this time Democrats suppressed their own turnout
No, right-wing extremist propaganda pushed by the algorithms of youtube and tiktok suppressed the turnout.
That's a big part of it, but not all.
We've seen a global backlash against the party in power, in that context Harris refusing to distance herself from Biden absolutely contributed.
I would note that she stopped separating from Biden when she got the Cheney endorsement and swung hard to the right. That's where the campaign momentum died.
Actually, 20 million votes are suspiciously unaccounted for
Source? Or are we down to republican level of accepting losing?
Lemme play devil's advocate and ask if that would really be such a bad thing if we were considering being an unhinged lunatic gets your people elected.
Yeah probably it would be a bad thing. Republicans try to mobilize the idiot vote. To get that, you can be unhinged, but you alienate the more reasonable voters, the educated city people that the dems absolutely need.
Although it would be interesting to see two unhinged parties try to fight it out to get the idiot vote. I assume Italian political culture to be something like that, all the smarter Italians I've ever spoken to seem extremely frustrated by their system.
Biden won on memes of him eating ice cream, being old, being Dark Brandon, sniffing kids, claiming people aren't black, saying that poor kids are just as smart as white kids, etc.
During a term when Trump memes stopped because they were played out. Obviously the new rule is that the first person to become a meme goes into the White House, or as Trump calls it "The Whites Only House"
If they would have run an ad of Kamela Harris as Skibidi Toilet singing Numa Numa Ney, everyone would have voted for her. But instead they had memes of JD Vance fucking a couch.
Yess a new conspiry!
People not turning out is not the same as votes "suspiciously missing"
People did turn out though, so many states reported record turnout, yet.. this..
Did people just go to the polls, see the choices and go "Eh.. nevermind" and go home? Like millions of people?
People turned out in most swing states, they didn't in safe states
I'd believe that if they all didn't turn red
we have numbers...
6,835,903 people voted in pa in 2020 6,950,214 people votes in pa this year, and we're not done counting yet
That's the thing about records: they aren't always positive/in the trajectory you are hoping for
If it had been a record low, then sure. But I don't think we broke records in that direction either.