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The friend who radicalized me is now begging me to vote for Harris (hexbear.net)

submitted 3 days ago by bubbalu@hexbear.net to c/chapotraphouse@hexbear.net

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He got me to read the Manifesto and would have hours' long debates with our social-democratic roommate and now this. It's really shaking me up a bit.

He is on the whole defeatist 'nothing will fundamentally shake the imperial machine so might as well pick the wardog with better domestic policies' tip. I want to get through to him but I am getting stuck.

For example:

i also refuse to not vote my conscience but i figured this time its not like doing this abstract process to pick if id prefer -100 points vs -200 points is gonna matter that much if i genuinely believe itll even be slightly better under kamala i might as well

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[-] Angel@hexbear.net 32 points 3 days ago

This reminds me of when I read a post somewhere about someone who met up with the person who convinced them to go vegan at a cafe after not seeing them for years. The person who convinced them to go vegan ordered a latte with dairy in it and revealed that they're an ex-vegan now. OP was so confused and disappointed.

I may be butchering some of the details, but it was something like that.

[-] bubbalu@hexbear.net 31 points 3 days ago

You either die a hero or live long enough to become a villain. It's like old communists like Angela Davis stepping back from overt struggle and letting themselves become fangless 'critics' because they need to retire. Except in this friend's case we are still young and he was never concretely politically active.

[-] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 16 points 3 days ago

You either die a hero or live long enough to become a villain.

I normally hate that quote because it was Nolan capeshit brainworms in its origins of common usage, but then I think of what happened to Noam Chomsky. chomsky-yes-honey libertarian-alert

[-] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmygrad.ml 14 points 3 days ago

Noam was always dog of american regime, just his leash was fairly long. But when in his decrepit age had one good take about Ukraine, he was immediately cancelled by the cointelpro bog.

[-] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 3 points 3 days ago

Maybe so, but as far as I know he wasn't sufficiently rich to need to go to Little St. James, nor did he have to say "none of your damn business" in a snippy way when asked about it. libertarian-alert

[-] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 3 days ago

I don't understand those references.

[-] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 6 points 3 days ago

chomsky-yes-honey was on Epstein's flight logs to the island where numerous other very rich kiddie creepers did SV to children for years.

[-] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 3 days ago

Yeah, and the moment when it was revealed the anti-authoritarian left lifted a bit of their Ukraine damnatio memoriae to defend him lol. Makes you wonder.