I grew up next door to a sovcit family and witnessed their descent into madness. They think they have all of these loopholes and they only end up ruining not only their lives but the lives of their children too.
This family had a house that is now worth well over $500k and they lost it for $0. The son spent over a year in jail because he and his dad claimed you only needed drivers license if you were engaged in commerce and then got busted driving without a license IN HIS LANDSCAPING COMPANY VEHICLES.
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SovCit is Harry Potter fantasy for far-right nerds.
They are desperately searching for the right combination of words to create some legal incantation that makes them immune to the law.
Omigod.
So your vote is mental illness over gullible fool?
I don't know that they really threaten the rule of law, since none of their bullshit ever actually works (especially as people become more aware of their specific brand of nonsense). I think the bigger issue is that quite a few of them will resort to violence, so they're more of a threat to other people.
I don't know that they really threaten the rule of law, since none of their bullshit ever actually works
This is the part that puzzled me - how can a movement like this continue to grow without any success stories whatsoever? It doesn't make sense. Until I realized there's a whole industry setup to drift these idiots out of their money. You can buy a sovcit passport, sovcit drivers licenses, all manner of stuff. None of it is worth as much as the paper it's printed on, but they pay anyways.
It's a whole industry designed to convince [stupid] people that if they just say the right combination of words, they get to selectively exist withing society and skirt rules.
A lot of them are also desperate. Plenty of people find their way to sovcit stuff because they're in legal trouble of some kind that they don't know how to handle, and everyone tells them they just need to face the consequences. Sovcits tell them actually, the government is wrong, they shouldn't be in trouble at all, and if they just file these papers and say these words, it'll all go away. I can see how people who aren't great critical thinkers can get sucked into that.
how can a movement like this continue to grow without any success stories whatsoever?
Because they all believed in jade-helm, FEMA concentration camps, and Obama was gonna take their guns despite none of those things happening. Then when none of those things actually happen they continue to get information from the same sources who lied to them about all those things.
It's like they are trying to disengage from reality using the shared momentum of their collective belief.
Paper terrorism is probably the best way to explain it. They will bombard courts, banks and civil services (ie- utilities, child support payments) with pages and pages of useless documents and waste hours of people's time on the phone, in person, or by mail.
Combine that with the belief that no response is acceptance and rejections are based on lies, you get the most aggressive and ignorant people that make Karen's seem pleasant.
Oh I know. I worked in child support enforcement for a minute and now work in an office that takes passport applications. Thankfully, the Department of State's stance is that we don't need to argue about it, they'll deal with it on their end, so it's a lot less confrontational, but I had a guy on a child support case that was clearly getting advice from sovcit forums and he was a headache and a half.
For some examples of sov cuts, check out !insanepeoplefacebook@lemmy.world there are a good number of screenshot/posts.
@BonesoftheMoon@lemmy.world and @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world out here doing God's work.
I took June off of Facebook because I'm sick of homophobia for Pride but I think I'll go back on my alt and check it out again because they're just too funny.
You can take a break if you want lmao
They amuse me a lot. The rest of Facebook does not. So I'll clean her up. They're way too funny, like how do you think you're paying for a house with a silver coin?
You just gotta have that M E N T A L I L L N E S S
that's silly, you need a silver coin AND a form, with your name in ALL CAPS.
A friend of mine works at a title company and one of these sovereign citizens tried to purchase a home recently. They tried to use all homemade documents for their identification and financial statements, repeatedly. They refused to produce any genuine documents and became increasingly angry when told that they would have to regardless of their personal views on government and it's laws. It drug on for months, until finally they had to threaten to call the police if this person showed up angrily demanding that exceptions be made. In the end they obviously were not able to purchase the home they were attempting to buy.
Ive never heard anyone use drug as the past tense for drag but I like it
I had to look it up because I did it without even thinking, and it appears to be a regional thing. I just use them both interchangeably, I never considered that others don't lol
They sometimes try to mail in silver coins to pay for their houses.
My question would have to be, was this person attempting to get a loan for the house? Because if so, I can understand where they would need financial statements and identification. But if the person walked in with the cash to buy the place, free and clear, then I don't see why it should be a problem.
It's called a proof of funds and it's used to ensure that the buyer has sufficient money to complete the transaction. It was a cash transaction and as I understand it they brought a picture of money and precious metals and a home made ID card
Right, and if the proof of funds is you say that the house cost this much money and the person pulls that much money out of their wallet or whatever and hands it to you, that's proof.
The article has a weirdly alarmist tone to it.
Yes, there are a bunch of people claiming to know loopholes in the law through which they don't need a license to drive and the county sheriff (who will absolutely arrest them for driving without a license) is the supreme authority. A few of them will resist the police with violence. People unsuccessfully advancing crackpot legal theories and a few isolated incidents of fighting the police are not a threat to the rule of law.
It is an odd tone. So much "I learned" and "I found out." It comes off as a youthful essay.
Good point. It's not news that "you learned" something. What is your conclusion?. What is your reasoning? If it's been said before, we can just read that.
They didn't even bring up the actual alarming issue of sheriff's who think they are the supreme authority of the land either. Very weird article, it's like someone missed an entire decade.
"Threaten the rule of law" is what SovCits would like to think their movement is big enough to do.
Yeah I wouldn't say they threaten the law. The supreme court threatens the law. Sov cits just brake the law while convincing themselves its not illegal if they do it while weaking polka dots or something.
I’d expect them to be more often victims of scams than actually threaten the rule of law. It seems like a bunch of self-deluded morons turning life’s hardship into felonies.
Man it’s so difficult paying child support, maybe I better convict myself of a felony. Yeah, that will make life easier
"threaten rule of law"
I mean.... Only if you let them get away with shit.
I am the Sovcit queen of Lemmy. But also I read a lot of Canadian legal cases, where they are referred to as pseudolaw. This one leaves me absolutely helpless with mirth.
they shoot a lot of people: cops, each other, innocent bystanders.
Just send 2 army guys to conquer them.
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