making the feature rely less heavily on user-generated content from sites like Reddit
Imagine selling out reddit/buying access to the comments for AI just to immediately unprioritise it
A new deal is being forged with 4chan instead.
That would be awesome!
No one could have seen this coming. Obviously LLMs absolutely completely understand the difference between people joking around with each other and authentic advice.
Sarcasm aside, Reddit does have some good information about niche topics. There's just currently no way for AI to understand the difference between dry humor and serious responses. I think the AI summaries are unhelpful anyway, but even if I didn't it's pretty obvious Google didn't think further than "Shove AI into it like a drunken prom night encounter".
There’s just currently no way for AI to understand the difference between dry humor and serious responses.
There’s no way for humans to do this either. We invented an entirely new series of markers (emoticons, /s, etc.) at a vain attempt at doing just this and still fail.
It's definitely difficult over text unless you know someone.
Who do we have to know
His name is Dennis. Once you really get to know him you'll understand.
Reid characterized the mistakes that won attention as the result of an internet-wide audit that wasn’t always well intended.
Oh yeah, there was a conspiracy to embarrass Google with off-the-wall questions like “how do I thicken pizza sauce?”
Why are these corporate schmucks unable to take any blame?
No audit is well intended. The whole ppint of an audit is to find duplicitous and fucked up shit.
Why are these corporate schmucks unable to take any blame?
Because they never have to.
It wasn't us, it was the people who used it who really caused the failure.
Ungrateful fucking peasants are not recognizing greatness?!!?
Sadly, b/c their jobs literally depend on them NOT doing so, in today's corporate hellscape environ:-(.
The company made “more than a dozen technical improvements” to AI Overviews ...
... making the feature rely less heavily on user-generated content from sites like Reddit
So it prefers the results that Google normally deprioritizes? I guess we have that in common
I almost wonder what Huffman is thinking right now - he could have been so very close to becoming a billionaire, managing the repository of human general technical knowledge explained simply, but he blew it by being a greedy piggy...
Not that he will ever admit that, even to himself.
I don’t think Spaz is thinking at all. That was how Reddit imploded.
His decision tree is like: I say yes, content creators say no, admin rights say yes tho, market ends up saying no tho, the end.
It seems like I've heard this story before somewhere lately...
What? Oh no, I had not written down the recipe for using gasoline to cook my spaghetti! Whatever shall I do?
Step 1: add gasoline.
Step 2: add more gasoline.
Step 3: don't think about the bridge...
Step 4: what spaghetti?
I wonder if that bridge has immortalized itself in AI history.
I hope it lasts longer than modern AI tools themselves at this point. They have great potential, but... they cannot replace the (lack of) brains of a manager to be a magic bullet to cure all ill effects of greed, with as little effort put into deploying them as has been done so far.
(From the OG Matrix movie)
They're also developing computer chips running on actual biological human brains if that helps the brain aspect
Ironically, we keep being told (iirc?) that middle-management was going to be one of the first things to go with the advent of AI. Software was going to eliminate the need for it, allowing one person to manage many tens to hundreds (to thousands?) of people directly.
Instead, most companies - like big tech, and Boeing, etc. - seem to be going the opposite direction, ditching their actual workers who produce things while keeping the managers?
This does not seem to be going all that well for Google lately...
The AI bullcrap at the top, before actual search results, is what finally made me change my default engine to duckduckgo
Same, I have tried DDG every once in a while but kept going back to google. Now google search doesn't quite give me relevant results anymore and all the AI crap just takes all of their effort to work on search itself.
Been using DDG for a few weeks now for personal and work related stuff - quite happy with it.
I've fully committed to kagi now and don't regret it. The results are actually helpful again and even their AI features are better. The search summary does not seem to hallucinate at all
Ok good. Now remove that feature or at least add mandatory human review
And slow down search even more?
Human review is NEVER going to happen. The amount of comments from Reddit and user queries is mind boggling
No I meant that the AI makes replies to most popular (or predicted to be popular) questions but a human has to review and accept it manually to push it to the search results. But that still won't fix everything. It's just AI that needs to die. That's it
It’s an interesting concept. But right now, Google Search is the best argument in favor of Bing.
Or DuckDuckGo, which uses the same index as Bing, but with more privacy
You think Bing aka Microsoft is not planning on this exact same folly?
I’m sure they are. But they haven’t yet. And after this, they might at least borrow a page from Apple and make sure it works first.
I mean... They have though. It's not in bing.com but "Microsoft copilot" is their newly rebranded Bing + AI search engine, which they're embedding directly into desktops. They've been doing the AI summaries longer than Google has afaik.
Everyone remember to pollute your answers wherever you post them at least once a day.
The best way to avoid having your words used by an LLM is to mash your fingers with a mallet before typing. The resulting typographical errors will ensure that the AI rejects your text before using it for training.
So... a nurmal Redhti usre then? :-P
Well, cool. Now fix it.
You don't say.
We need decentralized, federated search. I remember YaCy from years ago was attempting this. Anybody know if there's anybody actively working on this?
@makeasnek @schizoidman YaCy is still around.
And https://searx.space/ is an open source metasearch search engine with many instances. (Try https://searx.be/ if you want to test it out.)
SearX/SearXNG allows you to aggregate results from a number of different search engines. You choose which ones, and they're stored in your browser without setting up an account.
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