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[-] Ibaudia@lemmy.world 80 points 5 months ago

Protesting police brutality respectfully and nonverbally

Telling young women that they will only be truly happy if they are homemakers during their commencement ceremony and that anything else is "diabolical lies" meant to have you stray from god's path

How are these in any way equivalent

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 69 points 5 months ago

They aren't equivalent. And to conservatives, the second one is to be praised and the first one is to be damned.

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 12 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

One of them is professing a personal belief elevated into the national discourse by an individual at the end of his athletics career. The other is a sponsored advertisement by the ruling elite voiced through a paid shill, as a means of self-promotion. That's really the nut of it.

Butker sits on the board of a private home schooling program that directly profits from the reactionary turn against public education. He's filling the proper American role of getting that bag. He's giving these speeches and cultivating a social media following in order to pitch more of his Christian flavored self-help materials. He's got investors who stand to make a mint themselves, and so use their connections to boost his media presence. All for the aim of separating fools from their money.

Kaepernick originally filled that role as a QB, when he was quietly tossing a ball around for the entertainment of high dollar ticket holders. But as soon as he started taking a knee and yapping his yap, he cut into people's bottom lines. The NFL leadership didn't like their image as apolitical national past time infringed. The police and national military didn't like one of their major advertising and recruiting partners going off script. The sports news shows didn't like the possibility of losing advertisers.

The real equivalence is in the flow of that $$$

[-] Prunebutt@slrpnk.net 62 points 5 months ago

I'm not as free as y'all Americans (from Europe): Context for the guy on the left?

[-] snooggums@midwest.social 114 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Kicker for the US football team Chiefs based in Kansas City gave a commencement speech where he laid out a bunch of misogynistic and homophobic bullshit including the equivalent of "women belong in the kitchen" and is getting defended by conservatives as speaking to family values or whatever they call that bullshit now.

Sounds like you know about the guy on the right already, but for anyone else that might not know he was simply kneeling to bring attention to racism and was vilified by those same conservatives.

[-] YurkshireLad@lemmy.ca 66 points 5 months ago

A white man was applauded while a black man was attacked.

Does that cover it?

[-] snooggums@midwest.social 49 points 5 months ago

While race certainly played a part with the reaction to Kaepernick, that doesn't mean this guy got a free pass for being white. Conservatives would have defended someone of any race who spouted misogynist word vomit.

[-] boaratio@lemmy.world 38 points 5 months ago

I mean, conservatives defend the murderer Kyle Rittenhouse.

[-] Carmakazi@lemmy.world 20 points 5 months ago

They defend him because they like the idea of shooting liberal protesters in the street. "Murderer" is not a mark of shame to them.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 17 points 5 months ago

I do love how they defend him in part by saying he killed a convicted sex offender as if he could have possibly known that and as if that were his (or anyone's) job to do.

[-] CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 6 points 5 months ago

That's because for Conservatives you're allowed to take lives to protect property. You are not allowed to damage property to protect lives.

Really shows where their values are.

[-] YurkshireLad@lemmy.ca 3 points 5 months ago

Good point.

[-] feedum_sneedson@lemmy.world -5 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Is Colin Kaepernick black in America? I can see he wears his hair long now but in the UK you'd just say he looks vaguely mixed race. Very Caucasian features actually, kind of looks French-Algerian.

[-] Bdtrngl@lemmy.world 7 points 5 months ago

Being light skinned doesn't make him less "black"

[-] nonailsleft@lemm.ee 3 points 5 months ago

What else would make him less black?

[-] CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 10 points 5 months ago

You don't understand:
A white woman can have a black baby.
A black woman cannot have a white baby.

This is very normal and makes perfect sense. Stop looking at it closely.

[-] Duranie@literature.cafe 3 points 5 months ago

There's the "One Drop rule." (Wikipedia)

"The one-drop rule was a legal principle of racial classification that was prominent in the 20th-century United States. It asserted that any person with even one ancestor of black ancestry ("one drop" of "black blood")[1][2] is considered black (Negro or colored in historical terms). It is an example of hypodescent, the automatic assignment of children of a mixed union between different socioeconomic or ethnic groups to the group with the lower status, regardless of proportion of ancestry in different groups.[3]

This concept became codified into the law of some U.S. states in the early 20th century.[4] It was associated with the principle of "invisible blackness"[5] that developed after the long history of racial interaction in the South, which had included the hardening of slavery as a racial caste system and later segregation. Before the rule was outlawed by the Supreme Court in the Loving v. Virginia decision of 1967, it was used to prevent interracial marriages and in general to deny rights and equal opportunities and uphold white supremacy."

[-] CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 4 points 5 months ago

It asserted that any person with even one ancestor of black ancestry

I think that means technically everyone is Black.

[-] chatokun@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 5 months ago

It does, but in reality it's only if people know it. If your skin, name, nose, or actions shows your ancestry to be anything other than a certain in-group, then expect less rights. The in-group has changed over the years, but in the past it was only Anglo-Saxon, with Irish and Italians excluded. Some fringe groups are still racist against them, but in general anyone darker than a tan (though if of Latino heritage, tan still may be too far) and for some Jewish people (and no, I don't mean those supporting Palestine or objecting to Israel, I mean real antisemites) are automatically seen as worse, and often times it's subconscious.

I've seen racism against just my first name. I worked for a mom and pops computer store, was one of their techs. Someone with what I was told was a southern/redneck accent called in, and when told Chatoyer would be the name of the tech, they said "what the hell kinda name is Shatiyay, then hung up."

I don't have proof, but I'm 100% sure it has cost me job opportunities as well. Not necessarily from overt racism. Some people here just don't want to deal with anything that makes them uncomfortable or they assume would make them uncomfortable. "What if we get his name wrong and he gets angry about it? John has similar qualifications, let's just get John" etc. I know a boss who passed up women (despite having hired women before and after the one I'm talking about) because he was worried the other guys on the team might talk to frankly or curse too much for a woman.

[-] feedum_sneedson@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago

That's hilarious, I will never understand America.

[-] papertowels@lemmy.one 6 points 5 months ago

The thing is it's not about being "black", it's about not being white.

[-] snekerpimp@lemmy.world 31 points 5 months ago

Almost makes you associate racism and misogyny with the conservatism ideology….. almost. I’m sure a few more instances like this will solidify it for more people? Maybe?

[-] someguy3@lemmy.world 13 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

They can't say Christian values anymore, so they say family values. Anytime you hear family values, they mean Christian values.

[-] snooggums@midwest.social 8 points 5 months ago

Family values, common sense, freedom caucus, and any other thing that sounds like it should be positive but is run by conservatives is the opposite of whatever the name is.

[-] HeyJoe@lemmy.world 3 points 5 months ago

Don't forget the other crazy part. His own mother is a medical physicist that is the complete opposite of his definition of what he believes women should be. I was going to say those head injuries are true, then I realized he is only a kicker...

[-] waddle_dee@lemmy.world 30 points 5 months ago

A kicker in American Football, who recently gave a speech at a Catholic College and said women will find more joy and fulfillment from being a stay at home mom than in a career.

[-] snooggums@midwest.social 18 points 5 months ago

He also said a bunch of other terrible stuff about women in the speech too, but yeah, that is the part that made the headlines.

[-] fmstrat@lemmy.nowsci.com 12 points 5 months ago

Who only got where he was because of his mother's physics career.

[-] Hugh_Jeggs@lemm.ee 3 points 5 months ago

(from Europe)

Lol waaaay more free then mate

[-] Prunebutt@slrpnk.net 6 points 5 months ago

I was a bit cheeky there ;)

[-] Zehzin@lemmy.world 33 points 5 months ago

It's right in the name. Conservatives want to preserve the status quo. Injustice is part if the status quo. I'm no logician but I think that means they're on team injustice.

[-] dil@lemmy.world 19 points 5 months ago

"Free speech" isn't the problem though? Butker has a stupid worldview, and Kaepernick was raising awareness of a real and important issue.

They can say whatever they want without retaliation from the government, and that's freedom of speech. Freedom of speech is not freedom from ridicule or consequences from other people.

It's not some fundamental question if rights. It's very simple: your ideas are shit, so we don't like you and think you should shut up.

Who is player a here? The dude on the left I mean.

Non American but even I know the right guy. Kapperknack.

[-] KammicRelief@lemmy.world 13 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Ah I saw this AH last week.

Another religious fundamentalist, that does nothing remotely in line with what any religion teaches.

[-] KammicRelief@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago
[-] FiniteBanjo@lemmy.today 11 points 5 months ago

Something equally disgusting from the rightwing is when townships and police department officials talk about how big of a threat Fentanyl exposure is to officers.

There is only one crowd of people parroting that BS, and it's the crowd who think Derek Chauvin was justified in murdering George Floyd.

[-] lugal@lemmy.world 10 points 5 months ago

"Freedom is always the freedom of the majority" – Elon Musk, probably

[-] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 7 points 5 months ago

“Free speech” is code by the right wing for more of their cancel culture. They want to silence criticism. For them “free speech” is a one-way street meant to force you to listen to their bullshit.

[-] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 6 points 5 months ago

Funny enough from the picture you can't see who the writer indicates as a and b.

This is the problem though. Yeah, the white dude talking about woman requiring a kitchen is a sad asshole, but quite a few people really do think and believe it's normal, and see the other dude kneeling as a severe insult.

How do you communicate, with that in mind?

[-] Modern_medicine_isnt@lemmy.world 4 points 5 months ago

In all fairness though. One was litteraly invited to speak. And I haven't heard anyone call him brave (though I am sure someone somewhere did). So I don't blame orgs like the nfl and such having little to say. And frankly we should be talking more about the place that thought it was a good idea to invite him to speak... avoid graduates of that place like they have the plague.

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