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"helped" is very misleading. Companies can't refuse to provide information they have when served a search warrant / court order. These companies DID NOT choose to provide the info on their own.
Yep, which I think is why it's more important to see what data is being collected and stored, rather than giving up data based on how trustworthy an entity seems
If the tool doesn't collect or log the data to begin with, then there's nothing that can be stolen/taken/demanded
The solution in this case might be for Proton (and the other companies) to list out risks and data collection information along the way.
We need X in order to do Y. Read more on how Y works. Now here are some risks, and how to avoid them:
Yep, also using "requests" when they were not at all, they were demands.
Obligatory reminder:
Email is not a secure medium! If you need truly secure and/or anonymous communications, DON'T USE EMAIL!
Use a platform/protocol designed from the ground up for those things!
I think it's not the services fault that people aren't aware of the limits of encrypted services. They are not going to shut everythin' down just for a few people, if you need smth anonymous Proton is not for you.
Also, it's your task to have good opsec. If you give your iCloud email to Proton which has personal information sticked to it, you fault.
if you need smth anonymous Proton is not for you.
Oh it is for you, but you have to be careful. Proton won't try to find out info you didn't give them, but they can't pretend that they don't have info that they actually have. They run an onion service, and account recovery is made possible without a recovery contact.
Imagine talking about opsec and iCloud in the same sentence 🫣🤭
They are not going to shut everythin’ down just for a few people
Although lavabit did...
You can't compare Lavabit to Proton.
And you can't compare urself to Edward Snowden.
I do not blame Proton for complying with a request - it is a completely expected action from a company. However, I would blame them for advertising that makes them seem safer than they are for people who don't know better.
I would blame them for advertising that makes them seem safer than they are
What kind of advertising are you referring to exactly?
if you need smth anonymous Proton is not for you.
I mean, there are better options, but you can also use Proton anonymously. Just have to use it appropriately. If you use it to send your name to the FBI, there ain't nothin Proton can do about that. Same if you link a recovery email linked to a personal account.
Lavabit did, back in the day.
Back in the day.
This makes me feel old.
“Proton does not require a recovery address, but in this case the terror suspect added one on their own. We cannot encrypt this data as we need to be able to send an email to that address if the terror suspect wishes to initiate the recovery process,..."
I love that proton kept referring to the user as the "terror suspect" repeatedly so we would know they're really the good guy here.
Exactly. What makes this a bit complicated and maybe interesting from a historical point of view is that this is about Spain. A country which has been very slow with removing some of the "relics" from the fascist Franco era (Franco died in 1975) and at the same time having regions that long for independence like Basque country and Catalunya (and the post topic is related to that, Catalunya aiming for independence). Since the Twin Towers attacks in 2001 the words "terror suspect" and "terrorists" have been used much more often (also by ordinary "normies" people that I knew) and maybe not always rightly so.
Thanks very much for the clarification to the context, I really appreciate it as someone who had no idea.
You're welcome.
Well it was anti terror laws that were invoked..
Why has proton written somewhere exactly what data can be handed over to police? if there is, they need to be promoting this information more
https://proton.me/legal/law-enforcement
They never said they will fight law enforcement, this is the 1000th time this happens.
If you sign up for a service using real information that can be traced to you (as in this case: home address, personal email) and then do illegal* things with the account, don’t.
The * here is that what the alleged protester allegedly did or said is irrelevant. And the article is pretty clickbaity, unless the author was unaware of how online accounts work.
OpSec fail, never ever use any personal info when you are dealing with something you don't want to be indentified for, it include obviously recovery emails, usernames and passwords.
Do not trust companies.
this post was submitted on 09 May 2024
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