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submitted 4 weeks ago by helenslunch@feddit.nl to c/privacy@lemmy.ml

I use Proton. But I continue to run into more and more websites and services that detect my VPN and refuse my connection, or just run literally 40 captchas in a row until I just give up.

I use Proton because it has a "suite" of products under a single subscription, but that benefit is losing it's allure as some of their products are pretty shitty from a user experience perspective, their customer support is atrocious, and they don't seem to pay any attention to what their users actually want.

Does anyone track known VPN servers? Is there a specific provider that causes less problems? Does anyone test different VPNs for detection?

Thinking about cancelling my subscription and moving to Mullvad.

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[-] eya@lemmy.dbzer0.com 44 points 4 weeks ago

Mullvad, haven't had any issues with it. If a site refuses my connection I just change servers until it works, even found a few that work on reddit

[-] helenslunch@feddit.nl 7 points 4 weeks ago

Reddit is one of the main problems for sure.

[-] telep@lemmy.ml 17 points 4 weeks ago

have you considered using alternatives front ends for some of the major social platforms?

I use libreddit/redlib to browse reddit. you can run an instance locally or connect to remote ones. this way your IP isn't logged by reddit in the first place & no JavaScript is required to be run for the website to function properly.

there is even an extension called libredirect which can automatically swap clicked reddit (& other platforms) links to the same page on public frontends, which removes the hasstle of manually changing the URL.

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[-] JJROKCZ@lemmy.world 10 points 4 weeks ago

Have you considered not using Reddit?

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[-] x86x87@lemmy.one 38 points 4 weeks ago

There are only 2 VPN providers that are worth using IMHO: Proton and Mullvad. All the other VPNs are of questionable quality or their practices make you wonder if you should use them at all (eg logging and keeping logs)

Unfortunately there are websites that try to detect vpns and block you. Fuck those websites. Don't encourage them by giving them eyeballs or money.

[-] Imprint9816@lemmy.dbzer0.com 17 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

What don't you like about IVPN? Audited, open source, great reputation. I don't even use them but seems odd to count them out.

[-] Scolding0513@sh.itjust.works 4 points 4 weeks ago

yeah ivpn is recommended too, i think he just forget. i think they do the same thing as mullvad? like you can pay with monero and no email

ivpn mullvad and proton seem to be the golden three. I'd throw in OVPN too though

[-] jfr@feddit.de 13 points 4 weeks ago

Can also recommend AirVPN.

[-] Andromxda@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 4 weeks ago

Unfortunately there are websites that try to detect vpns and block you. Fuck those websites. Don’t encourage them by giving them eyeballs or money.

It's mostly CDNs like Cloudflare and Akamai that are notorious for blocking VPN and Tor users. Fuck CDNs, they destroy privacy and centralize the internet.

[-] harsh3466@lemmy.ml 4 points 4 weeks ago

That’s what I do. If a website blocks me because of my vpn, fuck em. I don’t waste my time. What business of theirs is it if I’m using a vpn.

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[-] iiGxC@slrpnk.net 18 points 4 weeks ago

Mullvad, it has ipv6 and way better linux support than proton

[-] Molecular0079@lemmy.world 5 points 4 weeks ago

No port forwarding though :(

I used to use Mullvad but after they disabled port forwarding I switched over to Proton.

[-] Andromxda@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 4 weeks ago

AirVPN has port forwarding

[-] pathief@lemmy.world 4 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

I used to be a Mullvad customer but switched to Proton because I use all the products on their suite. It makes financial sense to me.

Mullvad, however, has the best VPN experience ever. Faster, more stable and way less Captchas (though I'm not sure that's good?). Plus, I love their bullshit free pricing. It's 5 euros a month regardless if you buy 1 month or 2 years. Can't recommend it enough, even though I'm no longer a customer.

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[-] refalo@programming.dev 14 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

Nice try FBI.

But seriously... if everyone knew about better options, I think they would already be blocked too :)

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[-] Broken@lemmy.ml 12 points 4 weeks ago

Proton and Mullvad are the only 2 I'd trust. I suspect that they get similar results.

Proton has gotten a lot better since launch, but it's always a moving target with these things. I really only have issues with some store sites that just don't load with a VPN, which only tells me I don't want to shop there.

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[-] therealjcdenton@lemmy.zip 12 points 4 weeks ago

Nice try fed, won't narrow me down that easily

[-] helenslunch@feddit.nl 5 points 4 weeks ago

Too late for this joke

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[-] user224@lemmy.sdf.org 9 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

ProtonVPN free (paid is still too expensive for me) and Mullvad.

I find that Mullvad is usually blocked more.

For the past 3 or 4 years I was just on ProtonVPN free tier. For past 15 days I am using Mullvad. I really like that you can choose some custom ports for WireGuard, and also the multihop.
What is unfortunate is that I can't generate separate credentials for OpenVPN, like with ProtonVPN. It just uses account ID.

I have also tried IVPN for a week. Nicer UI, but a bit more expensive, sort of. They have variable pricing based on subscription length, and that just makes me dislike them enough to stick with Mullvad. €5/month whether it's 1 month, 6 months, a year or longer.
I don't remember what specifically it was, but I know I also preferred the Mullvad's ToS over IVPN, although both are fine.

I also thought of AirVPN because of port forwarding, but for privacy I'll stick to Mullvad.

What surprised me with Mullvad was the payment processing speed. It only took 4 days from me dropping the envelope with money into mail collection box in Slovakia to me getting the time added. Considering that shipping to Sweden is "3-5 days", they must have just processed that basically immediately.
But perhaps I was just lucky. I'll see the next time.

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[-] Imprint9816@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 4 weeks ago

Mullvad, IVPN, Proton, AirVPN, or Windscribe are all fine. Depending on how much stock you put into audits the first three are probably a tier above for privacy.

[-] RmDebArc_5@sh.itjust.works 7 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

Not really answering your question, but there is this open source extensions that automatically solves captchas locally

[-] helenslunch@feddit.nl 4 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

The fact that this even exists is hilarious. Not to mention that it's actually a "featured" extension in the Chrome Web Store. Google is actively promoting a product that defeats their own product.

Have you used it? Does it work?

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[-] FutileRecipe@lemmy.world 4 points 4 weeks ago

when humans were asked to solve distorted text CAPTCHAs, they were able to solve them in 9 to 15 seconds...and were only able to get the answer correctly 50-84% of the time....bots taking the same texts were able to answer the same tests in less than a second, and they were able to do it more accurately — 99.8% accurately, specifically.

https://www.pcmag.com/news/bots-better-at-solving-captchas-than-humans

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[-] Pantherina@feddit.de 6 points 4 weeks ago

VPNs are not meant for privacy. The concept is clunky, as is the concept of our internet.

Tor or I2P are made for privacy, but the interactions with the clearnet have the same problems, you need a legal entity hosting the server, IPs are known and can be blocked etc.

Hosting your own VPN does not anonymize you anymore but is very unlikely to get blocked.

[-] devfuuu@lemmy.world 5 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

Been using mullvad for at least 3 years, no major problems so far.

Currently I'm not using it so much and my subscription ended 2 months ago, so I'm using the free version of proton which is good enough for the basics of using public wifi.

[-] iliketurtles@lemmy.world 5 points 4 weeks ago

Windscribe...had it for a few years now and seems fine. I'll probably look into proton or mulvad when my subscription runs out, but I'd re-up if I find another subscription deal.

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[-] telep@lemmy.ml 4 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

unfortunately the blocking of servers is a perpetual battle that plauges almost any publicly listed proxy (vpns, tor, etc). the only way I have found around it is using lesser known/blocked VPNs or residential proxies. both of which probably have subpar data privacy policies, if they even follow them at all.

althought it likely won't help your captcha troubles, I would like to give a huge +1 to mullvad. have been a happy customer for years. in compsrison to proton as a company they have a much more direct/benifitial effect on the web & furthuring users privacy online in my eyes.

[-] notnotmike@programming.dev 4 points 4 weeks ago

Apparently unpopular but I use Mozilla VPN

[-] lemmyreader@lemmy.ml 3 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

Depends on use case and the country. I use Mullvad and Riseup VPN and something private (and Tor). Sometimes when a site has Mullvad in Europe blocked, it works when I try one of their servers outside of Europe. In my experience Mullvad is awesome, and you can try it for one month. And Mullvad, the no nonsense VPN provider, has had the same prize since years! (And no discounts like Proton trying to get you sign up for a year or more trying to keep you with Proton).

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[-] sasquash@sopuli.xyz 3 points 4 weeks ago

try to connect to newer servers. solves these kind of issues often but ofc not always.

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