Pelosi accuses MSNBC host Katy Tur of being ‘apologist for Donald Trump’ : politics

[-] tacosanonymous@lemm.ee 51 points 2 months ago

A global pandemic which he facilitated by removing the pandemic response team (although it was underfunded before), he downplayed it publicly, promoted false remedies, etc, etc, etc.

He (and his administration) had every chance to reduce the impact and he didn’t. It’s bc he's arrogant and stupid. He cost jobs but more importantly a lot of lives.

[-] A_Filthy_Weeaboo@lemmy.world 17 points 2 months ago

I hold him responsible for all the needless death that occurred during Covid

[-] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 10 points 2 months ago

As you should. He was worse than incompetent, he actively made it much worse.

And the CDC just folding under him like that. Sad and infuriating.

[-] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 12 points 2 months ago

My dad got radicalized toward Trump because of how the media constantly attacked him. It was his terrible handling of Covid that made him reject him by the time he was out.

[-] FlexibleToast@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago

Honestly, I think this is the only reason Biden won in 2020. Trump once said he was like a war time president with the pandemic. If he had kept that mentality and rallied to battle it, I think he would have won. However, I'm not sure which scenario is worse in the long term... I suppose the darkest timeline is yet to be seen. If Trump wins in November, we will truly be in the darkest timeline.

[-] Rapidcreek@lemmy.world 17 points 2 months ago

Tur is definitely either a right leaning sympathizer or at least a bothsides believer and has been for a while.

[-] return2ozma@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago

Trump used to single her out and had the crowds boo her when she covered his campaign.

[-] Dkarma@lemmy.world 8 points 2 months ago

Sounds like everyone hates her.

[-] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 8 points 2 months ago

Retire and let the younger generations have some power already.

[-] phdepressed@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 months ago

At least she gave up House speakership. Her constituents need to primary her. Last time her Dem opponent got 22% of the vote...and forget about the Rep

[-] chemicalprophet@lemm.ee 7 points 2 months ago

Just between us inside traders, she's prolly right...

[-] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I mean.. was she?

Found the clip, judge/ read for yourselves:

https://youtu.be/Ih0QTIa4uhQ?si=IUrQBqReE-i9uD1a&t=706

Reaction: No Tur, was not being an apologist, she was just putting something out there as a matter of historicity and Pelosi took reality personally.

[-] Kid_Thunder@kbin.social 15 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Starts at 12:55 for anyone that wants to get right to it.

Though Pelosi should have taken this as an opportunity to talk about how poorly Trump handled the epidemic and promoted false information instead of taking the childish and weak way out of personally attacking her for making the point their opponents always make.

Frankly, Pelosi's saddling both sides but still criticizing pro-Palestinian -- or perhaps I should say, pro-Humanitarian protestors was weak and propagandizing. She basically said 'I don't hear them considering the Hamas who are terrorists' when obviously they have and it is a tired irrelevant counter-point when the issue here is the actual innocents, including many women, children and aid workers; as well as the blockade of humanitarian efforts and lack of accountability from the US to Israel.

She did a bad job here on both points, IMO. There's no reason we couldn't fund our ally while putting constraints on it like "you have to do x, y and z while reducing collateral damage to x and following LOAC while allowing UN inspectors at their discretion" but even if that's done now, I think it is too late as far as history will be concerned. This will be a black mark. Though we should do the right thing now and save as many innocent lives as possible and broker peace (which we also aren't doing).

[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago

There’s no reason we couldn’t fund our ally while putting constraints on it like “you have to do x, y and z while reducing collateral damage to x and following LOAC while allowing UN inspectors at their discretion”

Oh, there's a reason. "We don't want to" is a reason.

[-] PP_BOY_@lemmy.world -3 points 2 months ago

For those of you not in the know, Pelosi is best known for her defense of insider trading as being her right as Speaker of the House, amongst other things

[-] anticolonialist@lemmy.world -4 points 2 months ago

She needs to fade into obscurity like Clinton does.

[-] xmunk@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 months ago

You're going to need more precise pronouns there.

[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago

I don't think they were talking about Tur.

[+] distantsounds@lemmy.world -13 points 2 months ago

Any criticism of Biden and you will be labeled as a Trump apologist. The DNC clowns are really testing people’s limits

[-] just_another_person@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago

Do you have a positive thing to say about Trump's policies or literally anything he did while in office?

[-] distantsounds@lemmy.world 8 points 2 months ago

Absolutely not, he was one of the worst. He was propped up by Clinton & the DNC as an easy opponent because he is an absolute moron. Unfortunately that backfired and is still here.

The DNC are playing another a dangerous game again this year. They play this Trump extortion bullshit instead of pursuing policy that could land an easy W…but they’d rather see Trump again than move left to gain votes.

[-] AmidFuror@fedia.io 1 points 2 months ago

I see this sentiment a lot, but moving left could easily lose more votes than it gains. Blame Nixon, Reagan, or Fox News if you like. G.W. Bush won twice because Gore and Kerry were successfully painted as "too liberal," and the public was happy to accept that.

[-] xmunk@sh.itjust.works 9 points 2 months ago

Right now the crisis facing democrats isn't "radicalization" - the independent vote in America is miniscule... it's that there is a huge population left of "center" (i.e. the brand of conservative currently undecided between Biden and Trump)... the thing we need to strategically attack is voter apathy.

Giving young people and other dissatisfied liberals a reason to turn out is critical.

[-] distantsounds@lemmy.world 9 points 2 months ago

Moving left will not lose Biden any votes. The Trump supporters will not change; they’re ride or die for that idiot. The disenfranchised and the youth have nothing to vote for, only something to vote against. Give those people a reason to come out to the polls. This election feels more like extortion than anything else.

[-] 24_at_the_withers@lemmy.world -2 points 2 months ago

My boomer in-laws have voted D their entire lives, but are considering voting Trump because they think Biden is too liberal. They are not as unusual as you might think.

[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago

I see this sentiment a lot, but moving left could easily lose more votes than it gains.

So centrist voters are fickle and unreliable, which is why we listen to them?

[-] AmidFuror@fedia.io -1 points 2 months ago

By definition, swing voters can go either way. We try to get their votes because in our FPTP system, you only win elections by getting the most votes in enough states.

Don't forget that you need to appeal to a majority of the voters in many of the states to win a Presidential election. That includes in swing states where the center is well right even of Joe Biden.

I'd be happy to read about polls that show otherwise. For now it looks like a lot of progressives like to think their policies are very popular but can't win outside of California and Massachusetts.

[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago

I’d be happy to read about polls that show otherwise.

Uh huh. I've seen what this platform says about polls that indicate that people aren't happy with centrist Democrats.

[-] AmidFuror@fedia.io 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Thanks for considering it.

- This Platform

[-] the_crotch@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 months ago

Literally proving distantsounds' point right now lmao

[-] just_another_person@lemmy.world -5 points 2 months ago

Just asking a question. You have a response?

[-] the_crotch@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I'm not the person you were asking, but no, I don't. I don't feel I owe you one. I feel it's awfully presumptuous of you to imply I need to pass a purity test before I can criticize Biden. He's the fucking president. We're supposed to criticize him. That's an important part of a functioning democracy. Acting like "our guy" is above criticism is what magas do. I have no use for them, and I have no use for you.

[-] PP_BOY_@lemmy.world -3 points 2 months ago

Making animal cruelty a federal offense is a pretty nonpartisan cool thing to do and "take their guns now, due process later" was maybe the most candidly progressive official comment from a POTUS on gun control I've heard in a while

[-] just_another_person@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

You're either a troll, or a complete idiot: https://www.nal.usda.gov/animal-health-and-welfare/animal-welfare-act#:~:text=The%20Animal%20Welfare%20Act%20(AWA,USDA%20%2C%20APHIS%20%2C%20Animal%20Care.

[-] PP_BOY_@lemmy.world -4 points 2 months ago

Why not both?

[-] just_another_person@lemmy.world -2 points 2 months ago

Both are incredibly sad. Get help.

[-] return2ozma@lemmy.world -4 points 2 months ago

Tell me about it. rolls eyes

[-] Dkarma@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago

Both of these idiots pretending like they're not voting for trump is hilarious.

In B4 Cornel west

[-] xmunk@sh.itjust.works -2 points 2 months ago

These are relevant articles, maybe you could start a "pro-biden-politics" community and moderate away dissenting opinions?

I, personally, like to be informed of news like this whether I'm happy with it or not... because being ignorant just means I'm more likely to be surprised.

[-] just_another_person@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago

I bet you're really fun in social situations.

[-] return2ozma@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago

I am. I bring drugs.