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Out of the half a million troops killed I wonder how many were actually Russians? Doesn't look like things are working out for them.

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[-] TransplantedSconie@lemm.ee 89 points 2 weeks ago

That number doesn't mean KIA. That encompasses all casualties. So if you got arms and legs blown off and can no longer fight, you are lumped into that number. The KIA number is around 130-140k. Which is still a lot of people.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 35 points 2 weeks ago

In context of the war, this number is more relevant. Dead or too injured to fight, fewer troops are fewer troops. It doesn't really matter what percentage in that 466,150 number are still alive when it comes to Russia's chances against the Ukrainian military.

[-] TransplantedSconie@lemm.ee 26 points 2 weeks ago

Not disputing that. Just that OP labeled them all as killed. Any Russian sent home in a box or carried out on a litter is a win for democracy.

[-] NoiseColor@startrek.website 15 points 2 weeks ago

Russia has more to spend. Ukraine doesn't which is becoming more and more apparent. Luckily that US bill was approved. But still there will need to be some immense luck and enginuity for Ukraine not to fall. Not to mention for Europe to stop this common delusion, come together and form a modern and strong army to step behind Ukraine with long term support. Probably with soldiers as well.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago

How is having more money going to put more people on the ground?

[-] Skua@kbin.social 10 points 2 weeks ago

They meant Russia has more bodies to spend

[-] Deestan@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago

If you can expend more artillery, you can use less soldiers.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 0 points 2 weeks ago

You can't capture a city with artillery.

[-] Deestan@lemmy.world 6 points 2 weeks ago

No, that'd be weird. You use artillery and soldiers.

The less soldiers you lose, the more you have left.

[-] Hyperreality@kbin.social 5 points 2 weeks ago

You can lay siege though. Bomb anything going out or in.

[-] NoiseColor@startrek.website 1 points 2 weeks ago

When you have better tech, you need fewer soldiers. It's the same with artillery as it is with drones.

[-] natural_motions@lemmynsfw.com 17 points 2 weeks ago

As long as they can't be sent back to fight. Honestly I don't ever feel good seeing or hearing about Russian troops being killed for the simple fact that I know many of them are conscripts or people scraped out of the bottom of the economic barrel (prisoners, mentally ill etc.).

I remember seeing a video of a guy who was so drunk he literally walked over into the Ukrainian trenches thinking they were his own. Luckily he was taken prisoner rather than shot, but they literally had to explain to him where he was.

I wonder sometimes if some of them haven't also been some of the young people imprisoned for protesting the war at the start, now used as fodder at gun point. Russia has shown no issue with sending their soldiers on suicide missions to test defense lines etc. A body can have "use" to the war machine, whether it's willing or not.

The war is righteous for Ukraine and needs to be fought, but I never feel celebratory about the scale of death.

[-] Chee_Koala@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago

I do kind of feel good when i see aggressor troops fall/perish . At least that soldier can't kill anymore defenders, so it's like a +X ukrainian lives lootdrop that pop's out of them. I'm not happy a human is now dead, but I am happy that there is one soldier less in poot poot's army killing other people in their home country.

[-] copd@lemmy.world -2 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Cough Vietnam, cough Falklands, sniffle gulf war.

Do you feel the same when it's the "good guys" doing it?

[-] Chee_Koala@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago

Sure! Aggressors can fuck right off :)

[-] xePBMg9@lemmynsfw.com 0 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

If you loose an arm or a leg as a russian fighter, you are not gonna survive. Doubtful you will even be looked at twice. A wounded russian is a MIA russian. Russia is a cold place. Not just literally.

[-] Chocrates@lemmy.world 8 points 2 weeks ago

Russia apparently has a deep history of spending enormous numbers of lives for military victories. Unless something changed I wouldn't rely on casualty numbers to indicate if they are close to breaking.

[-] Jakdracula@lemmy.world 7 points 2 weeks ago

Here’s a great illustration of how many people Russia was willing to lose in ww2. I think that mindset is still alive and well today.

https://youtu.be/DwKPFT-RioU?si=kJTzsBFN7WGjEpAv

[-] Skua@kbin.social 20 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

It's worth remembering that WW2 was an existential threat to the Soviet Union and most of the people living in it. This war isn't. See how the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan turned out.

And, of course, Ukraine was also part of the Soviet Union. Russians weren't the only ones fighting the Nazis on the Eastern Front

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[-] wewbull@feddit.uk 2 points 2 weeks ago

It's there in their leaders, sure.

I don't believe the people see it the same way.

[-] Jakdracula@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago

I’m not hearing a lot about the Russian people being against the war.

[-] felixthecat@kbin.social 5 points 2 weeks ago

I have. Did you not see there was an open armed rebellion in Russia? Granted it was the Wagner group but still, the people of Russia certainly didn't stop them or unite against the rebellion.

[-] Jakdracula@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

The Wagner group was an attempt at a coup d'état.

[-] wewbull@feddit.uk 2 points 1 week ago

Of course not. They're living in fear of their lives if they critisise the government.

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