Honestly its rude to be invited by a country to meet their president who decided to respond to your criticisms of their administration only to not show up and go meet the opposition.
Being invided and then no showing shows complete disregard to basic diplomatic Etiquette since it was a mission to show solidarity against the embargo
Bonus socdems being cringe part 4.5: about another member that didnt show up to the presidential meeting
Deeply unserious people
These fucking idiots get the possibility of meeting with and creating an ally for their cause with state resources that has actively used those resources to secretly fund and support foreign causes in the past and they stupidly do this shit?
Absolute fucking idiots. I have no other words. The complete and total failure to see an opportunity presenting itself to these morons is beyond stupidity.
The complete and total failure to see an opportunity presenting itself to these morons is beyond stupidity.
It's beyond stupidity alright. No one is this fucking stupid, so the only reasonable conclusion is that they're ops.
I genuinely don't think they actually thought through any of this. They've treated it like it's some school trip where a class gets to meet the prez and say a few words. Not as a real and serious political organisation trying to make ties that will benefit their cause.
Would they behave this way with the UK? With Norway or Sweden? Countries that wouldn't give them the time of day and wouldn't support them? Would they offend them with criticisms of how they run their states if given any kind of diplomatic welcome? I somehow think they wouldn't. They'd treat it like a westerners day out.
They went there to lecture them. Imbeciles. A country that in the past has not been against literally arming their allies in foreign nations. Let alone providing lukewarm resource support.
Just incredible shortsightedness. These are people you should be building trust with to eventually reach the point of collaboration.
They went there to lecture them.
Exactly. Why did this arrogant westoid think they have any right to share their "critiques" anyway. Extremely patient and kind of Diaz-Canal to even entertain their bullshit and offer them a private meeting to address their critiques. Critiques and reforms of the Cuban project should come from Cubans, not from Americans. Why does she think she has any right to dictate anything to the Cubans whatsoever? She's so arrogant she thinks she has the solution while Cubans are just too stupid to figure it out? She should have been there to learn, not to lecture.
Why the fuck are you even going to Cuba as a member of a political party if you skip a meeting with the goddamn president? This should get them expelled, but I suppose that might be too authoritarian.
How to build bridges, apparently
This reminds me of a recent podcast on Rev Left where he interviewed three Pan-Africanists who were part of a delegation in Cuba: https://revolutionaryleftradio.libsyn.com/on-cuba-and-haiti-the-fight-for-liberation-self-determination-in-the-caribbean
One of them has been to these conferences in Cuba multiple times and would mention how US leftists would constantly bring ideological and sectarian baggage with them and how Cuban communists have to constantly tell them to remove their heads from their asses and stfu (It's around 13:00 into the podcast).
If anyone still wonders why the global south thinks the western "left" is a joke, this is a perfect example.
If I were to conduct a diplomatic faux pas on that level, I would resign from embarrassment.
nah instead double down and cause internal strife in your organization, that's the American pigheaded way
THEN WHY THE FUCK DID YOU EVEN GO DUMBFUCKS??????????
it's called a vacation sweaty 💅
Maria in particular met with anti-government opposition groups while on delegation
Bruh
I don't fuck with just fedjacketing anyone but this is fed shit
The person she interviewed is a journalist who is mostly famous from their coverage of the small San Isidro movement, which is NED funded and supports Trump and the blockade. So yeah, indirectly it is fed shit 100%. The only question is if she’s just naive or if she’s malevolent
jesus christ, imagine being able to meet the top goat of cuba and SKIPPING OUT
fucking losers
It was the two succdem caucuses, the image describing events is from the commie caucus calling out their asses
Hopefully Maria and Renée get blowback for this.
not surprising. shameful, pathetic behavior, but not surprising in the least.
NATO leftist scum. Had the same experience when I visited a chapter as a leftist Guatemalan with actual success in my city and these fucks used obnoxious idpol to downplay our gains and whined about how we weren’t that strong while listening to European leftists who achieved less than us.
Read Maria’s response as she lists “poc voices” to use them against Cuba. This is what NATO leftists do and their irritatingly academic way of speaking combined with the sheer arrogance and chauvinism is why most in the global south hate them.
We went to Cuba as reps of our party and even warned them about NATO leftists. They laughed and said they’re well aware of them.
Idea for a ~~bit~~ serious reform of the DSA: AES country invites DSA leadership to visit, then refuses to grant exit visas until they've harvested 100 tonnes of wheat by hand.
I skimmed some portion of Maria Franzblau Criticism of Cuba
https://reformandrevolution.org/2024/02/17/cuba-between-imperialism-and-socialism/
We should be critical of socialist and anti-imperialist forces when necessary. Most times this should take place internally when other parties take actions we disagree with strategically. But when a leftist party actively betrays socialist principles, such as by attacking abortion rights or supporting Israeli apartheid, we should be willing to make our disagreements public. As for reactionary, anti-communist forces like the governments of Iran and Russia or groups like Hamas and the Houthis, we should make crystal clear our fierce opposition to their politics while also condemning imperialist aggression against them.
Most egregious considering the Palestinian genocide.
The first weakness is in our analysis and understanding of Cuban socialism. There is no shortage of inspiration we can draw from positively appraising the Revolution’s gains in literacy, healthcare, education, and more. We should not deemphasize the role of the brutal US embargo in the country’s crises. But one simply cannot understand the full picture of Cuba this decade without also understanding the political repression of independent organizing, the threats that private business and austerity pose to the socialist economy, or the crisis of legitimacy the government faces. If one were to attend this delegation and fully accept the party line put forward in our itinerary, the political side of this crisis would go completely unmentioned.
Having it both ways, the embargo is bad for the economy but also the threats that private business and austerity pose to the socialist economy
Second, it limits the effectiveness of our external messaging and organizing, especially in regions of the country with large Hispanic and Cuban-American populations. While it is true that there are large sections of these diaspora communities, particularly Cuban exiles, who are hardcore reactionaries and have petty-bourgeois class interests, it would be a mistake to treat these communities as monolithic or immovable. In my own experience organizing in Miami, there is a large presence of Cubans in every local struggle, whether it be university students and faculty walking out against our far-right state legislature’s censorship of education, or local Starbucks workers’ struggling to unionize their stores.
DAH POCS. like fr what do you mean?
https://reformandrevolution.org/2024/02/17/cuba-between-imperialism-and-socialism/
Meanwhile, a notably large “No” campaign against the Family Code was led by the churches and right-wing dissident groups through social media. While the referendum passed, “No” received 33% of the vote, which is remarkably high for a government initiative in a one-party state.
Like what?
edit:
In many ways, the Family Code represents the bureaucracy working at its best. They corrected an error in the party’s stances under the pressure of LGBTQ Cubans and the international movements for those rights, used mass meetings to influence public opinion and respond to it, and mobilized the party and its mass organizations to advance a “Yes” vote to expand womens’ and LGBTQ rights. But a lack of independent organizing or popularly-controlled institutions means that this was necessarily a slow going and top-down process. Put bluntly, Cuba’s transformation on LGBTQ rights was facilitated in no small part by Mariela Castro’s position as a prominent figure in the party bureaucracy with a famous family name.
You see, this good thing they did, is actually bad.
Second, it limits the effectiveness of our external messaging and organizing, especially in regions of the country with large Hispanic and Cuban-American populations. While it is true that there are large sections of these diaspora communities, particularly Cuban exiles, who are hardcore reactionaries and have petty-bourgeois class interests, it would be a mistake to treat these communities as monolithic or immovable.
she's more sympathetic to Miami gusanos than she is to Cuban revolutionaries. She wants to do tailism to appeal to gusanos and is worried that having solidarity with a socialist project would endanger her "organizing" among Cuban-Americans.
During my time in Havana, I made contact with several members of what is often called Cuba’s “critical left,” a term used to refer to left-wing activists, journalists, intellectuals, and everyday people who are critical of either certain policies of the PCC or broader systemic issues in the party bureaucracy. I organized three meetings, two with independent journalist Maykel Vivero and one with members of the leftist La Tizza collective. I also spoke to and attempted to meet with Marxist writer Frank Garcia Hernandez but could not arrange it while I was in Havana.
On Maykel Vivero:
He is one of the few journalists who cover the persecution of the San Isidro Movement and its leader Luis Manuel Otero Alcántara. In his journalistic work, he thinks it’s very important to provide the most complete information possible without getting carried away by personal feelings.
https://www.memoryofnations.eu/en/gonzalez-vivero-maykel-1983
On Luis Manuel Otero Alcántara:
State television revealed a document indicating San Isidro leader Luis Manuel Otero Alcántara receives monthly $1,000 payments from the National Democratic Institute, which is funded by USAID and NED.
https://twitter.com/bellybeastcuba/status/1382680866439172103
edit:
The small San Isidro Movement in question campaigned for the re-election of Donald Trump in October, speaking to a South Florida-based audience, while applauding the damage being done to Cuba by the U.S. blockade, while asking for additional sanctions. Images have earlier circulated of the main leader of the San Isidro group, Luis Manuel Otero Alcántara, with the Charge d'Affaires of the U.S. embassy in Havana. Another member, Omara Ruiz Urquiola, also paid a visit to the diplomat; and Carlos Manuel Álvarez, who resides in Mexico and is linked to U.S. special services, through the CIA front National Endowment for Democracy (NED), arrived at the headquarters of the San Isidro Movement last Tuesday, November 24.
They have advocated for the tightening of the blockade and the cutting off of remittances and their end goal is an overthrow of the revolutionary Cuban government.
My strategic reasoning is that I think it's counterproductive to advocating for an end to the embargo to meet with the head of a state that will credibly be accused of authoritarianism.
Holy shit. It's literally just "muh authoritarianism." And coming out of some of the more powerful caucuses too. This is the best the DSA can muster?
"Deeply unserious people," indeed.
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it is time, Maria and Reneé