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[–] mynamesnotrick@lemmy.zip 177 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (8 children)

Meanwhile in the usa... Our very own real estate fraudster with 91 felony charges is the pick of 50% of the country to be president.

That was bizarre to type. I can't believe this is reality.

[–] zcd@lemmy.ca 66 points 2 years ago (1 children)

You didn’t even mention the raping

[–] Zehzin@lemmy.world 16 points 2 years ago (2 children)

We're taking about the rich, it's implied

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[–] tiefling@lemmy.blahaj.zone 24 points 2 years ago

Trump has more felony charges than Biden has years of age

[–] L0rdMathias@sh.itjust.works 13 points 2 years ago

'Nam wins again.

[–] ReallyKinda@kbin.social 5 points 2 years ago

~50% of the voters*

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[–] Sludgehammer@lemmy.world 52 points 2 years ago (1 children)

The 67-year-old chair of the real estate company Van Thinh Phat was formally charged with fraud amounting to $12.5 billion — nearly 3% of the country’s 2022 GDP.

Wow, when your fraud starts being measured in "percentage of GDP" you know you got too greedy.

[–] vikinghoarder@infosec.pub 28 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I don't believe these things happen because of great work or investigations, she must have stepped on someone else's toes or something, that's the only way influential people go down...

[–] Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 37 points 2 years ago (2 children)

There's your answer:

Her actions “not only violate the property management rights of individuals and organizations but also push SCB (Saigon Joint Stock Commercial Bank) into a state of special control; eroding people’s trust in the leadership of the Party and State,”

[–] Aria@lemmygrad.ml 17 points 2 years ago (8 children)

Is this stepping on someone's toes? "If we don't hold rich people accountable, people will think we don't hold rich people accountable".

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[–] pdxfed@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago

When rich people get affected, people go down

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[–] davel@lemmy.ml 24 points 2 years ago (1 children)
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[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 23 points 2 years ago (1 children)
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[–] jwing@lemmy.world 23 points 2 years ago (2 children)
[–] Alsephina@lemmy.ml 11 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Do both the genocidal candidates actually

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[–] Fidel_Cashflow@lemmy.ml 23 points 2 years ago

Finally some good fucking news!

Now if only we could do this to blackrock execs in burgerland

[–] antidote101@lemmy.world 21 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (16 children)

Doing a multi billion dollar realestate fraud, in a semi-communist "Socialist Oriented Market Economy"....

...yeah the penalty is gonna be on the steep side. Landlords, rent seekers, and fraudsters aren't looked upon nicely anywhere, but particularly so in a country with that relationship to communism.

Landlords aren't generally considered communal minded. Fraud isn't good for the community, it's not done for the collective good.

The immune system of the masses has weeded out the what was going on here, and will deal with it via putting the perpetrator to death. Making sure this outrageous and damaging conduct will not continue or be encouraged.

It's a tough call, and they're making it.

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[–] dylanmorgan@slrpnk.net 15 points 2 years ago

Vietnam continues to win.

[–] LazyPhilosopher@lemmy.world 15 points 2 years ago

Great for them! Happy for you Vietnam 🙂

[–] HonestMistake_@lemmy.ml 14 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I'm usually not fond of the death penalty, but these are the kind of people it should be reserved for.

[–] Soulg@sh.itjust.works 11 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Meh, could have just as easily seized her assets and prison forever

iirc the death sentence is just being used as a motivation for her to return all the stuff she got from corruption and if she does it'll be downgraded to life in prison

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[–] Immersive_Matthew@sh.itjust.works 12 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Has the death penalty been used for this sort of crime before in Vietnam and has it been effective at deterring others in a measurable way?

[–] dylanmorgan@slrpnk.net 14 points 2 years ago

In Vietnam? Not sure. The French seemed to have a lasting benefit from doing this to every landlord they could lay hands on in the late 1700s, though.

[–] hellequin67@lemm.ee 11 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Has the death sentence been a deterrent for any crime?

[–] CluckN@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Singapore kills drug dealers which is a bit scary.

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[–] AFC1886VCC@reddthat.com 10 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I don't support the death penalty, but I do support harsh punishment for this kind of massive scale fraud.

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[–] Zehzin@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago (3 children)
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[–] octopus_ink@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 years ago (9 children)

I read the article and I know her fraud was extensive but - anyone else feel like the death penalty for fraud is a bit over the top?

[–] Sunforged@lemmy.ml 24 points 2 years ago (1 children)

12.5 billion in fraud? Nah.

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[–] PowerCrazy@lemmy.ml 22 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

It's not just "fraud." She cost people's livelihood, broke up families, and made people homeless directly through her actions. Even speaking as a marxist, banking isn't all intangible made up stuff. There are real individuals suffering consequences, and most of them aren't just rich people doing rich people things.

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 17 points 2 years ago

Personally, I don't think she should ever be allowed to die until she pays back her debt to society. Death is too easy.

[–] Olhonestjim@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago

Just about the only thing I agree with for the death penalty. Everything else can be reformed or quarantined. Wealth and power are cancerous. Doesn't matter where they are, they will never stop trying to take over, and total destruction is the only way to ensure they never get loose to wreak havoc on millions of us ever again.

[–] davel@lemmy.ml 9 points 2 years ago

Whether the death penalty should exist at all is a separate question, but Marxists generally recognize Engels’ conception of social murder.

When one individual inflicts bodily injury upon another such that death results, we call the deed manslaughter; when the assailant knew in advance that the injury would be fatal, we call his deed murder. But when society places hundreds of proletarians in such a position that they inevitably meet a too early and an unnatural death, one which is quite as much a death by violence as that by the sword or bullet; when it deprives thousands of the necessaries of life, places them under conditions in which they cannot live – forces them, through the strong arm of the law, to remain in such conditions until that death ensues which is the inevitable consequence – knows that these thousands of victims must perish, and yet permits these conditions to remain, its deed is murder just as surely as the deed of the single individual; disguised, malicious murder, murder against which none can defend himself, which does not seem what it is, because no man sees the murderer, because the death of the victim seems a natural one, since the offence is more one of omission than of commission. But murder it remains.

[–] bstix@feddit.dk 6 points 2 years ago

A death sentence is always excessive.

Fraud should be punished heavily though. Someone or several someones probably already died as a consequence of that money missing in the system. I'm not sure if a long jail sentence would be much better, with her being 67 it's a death sentence either way.

In my opinion they ought to follow the money. It's impossible for these amounts to just disappear or to have been used by her. It would make sense to keep her alive if there's any chance of recovering more of that lost money. But maybe that's the point.

[–] match@pawb.social 6 points 2 years ago

I don't think anyone should suffer the death penalty, but I also think that there must exist some amount of generalized damage that is enough to cause surplus deaths

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