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Children who displayed aggressive behaviour at school, such as bullying or temper outbursts, are likely to earn more money in middle age, according to a five-decade study that upends the maxim that bullies do not prosper.

They are also more likely to have higher job satisfaction and be in more desirable jobs, say researchers from the Institute for Social and Economic Research at the University of Essex.

Capitalism rewards bad behavior

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[–] SorosFootSoldier@hexbear.net 42 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Capitalism is literally anti-social, like you said it rewards bad behavior. I hate that anti-social just means not liking people in pop culture and not the whole range of terrible behavior like being a bully or even worse a crybully.

[–] Lemmygradwontallowme@hexbear.net 13 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I think it's rather Capitalism promotes toxic social behavior, but it doesn't promote being anti-social necessarily.... though that'd be one of its side-effects...

[–] blobjim@hexbear.net 19 points 2 years ago (1 children)

That's the actual meaning of anti-social. You'll even see it referred to in some governments' communications. It's the newer term for sociopathy it looks like.

[–] Tachanka@hexbear.net 11 points 2 years ago

Sort of. The earliest version of the DSM used the term sociopathy but I think subsequent versions starting in the 60s referred to it as antisocial personality disorder and noted that it had also been referred to as sociopathy or psychopathy.

[–] anarchoilluminati@hexbear.net 34 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Who the hell ever thought bullies don't prosper? They never had a boss?

[–] keepcarrot@hexbear.net 13 points 2 years ago

I guess there's a liberal idea that bullies will get their just deserts when they enter "the real world", but idk if anyone actually believes it, just something to that effect gets said a lot to kids

[–] DamarcusArt@lemmygrad.ml 31 points 2 years ago

Turns out being bullied horrifically sets you up with a lifetime of mental issues that make it hard to survive. Being the one doing that only teaches you that there will be no real consequences for your actions and you can and should intimidate and threaten and bully people into getting you what you want (like that promotion).

Also, hardly surprising that the most toxic people thrive in the most toxic society, while less toxic and horrible people struggle.

[–] QuillcrestFalconer@hexbear.net 27 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Yeah if you look at people at the top, a ridiculous percentage of them are complete sociopaths

[–] Greenleaf@hexbear.net 23 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I’ve had a decently long career in the corporate world. It’s definitely true that the smartest and most hard working people aren’t necessarily making the most money. If I could identify one characteristic of what seems to get people promoted and into higher paying jobs, it tends to be the ability to exert your will on others. It’s possible to do this without being a bully, but it’s pretty rare.

But the idea that capitalism a meritocracy where the smartest and hardest working people earn the most is definitely bunk.

[–] KobaCumTribute@hexbear.net 18 points 2 years ago (1 children)

But the idea that capitalism a meritocracy where the smartest and hardest working people earn the most is definitely bunk.

IIRC "meritocracy" was coined as a sarcastic term for a deeply nepotistic system, mocking how it portrayed itself as elevating "the best" when it was actually just elevating inbred aristocratic failsons. Liberals of course seized upon and adopted the term unironically in much the same way Americans adopt Starship Troopers' fascist absurdity unironically.

[–] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Huh you're right, according to wiki:

It was then popularized by sociologist Michael Dunlop Young, who used the term in his dystopian political and satirical book The Rise of the Meritocracy in 1958.

That book was furthermore refused from print by Fabians and a lot more of presumably more or less left publishing houses. The term was unironically used in politics by Tony fucking Blair of all people, so it checks out. Before Blair i read it being used by Asimov and it also wasnt used ironically, as Asimov fascinatingly tumbled down the stairs trying to define "class" in his futuristic society (and came crashing headfirst into "caste").

[–] DickFuckarelli@hexbear.net 18 points 2 years ago

One of those "I knew this to be true before I read the article" article.

[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 17 points 2 years ago

Ruthlessness is rewarded in companies. Aggressive dickheads in school are aggressive dickheads in workplaces but age results in them adapting it for the setting.

[–] RedWizard@hexbear.net 17 points 2 years ago

Personality predates Ideology, you were a bully and a dickhead before you were a Fascist. If you agree that Nazis get punched, then your kids should agree that bullies get punched.

Get bulled once, tell your teacher, get bullied twice, tell an admin, get bullied 3 times? Give the bully the consequences they earned.

[–] Voidance@hexbear.net 10 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Can we have meritocracy?
We have meritocracy at home
The meritocracy:

[–] Gosplan14_the_Third@hexbear.net 7 points 2 years ago

As shown by the documentary Back to the Future 😌

[–] Egon@hexbear.net 6 points 2 years ago

It's because they learn how the system works. Bullies learn what is just exactly acceptable and then they keep going to that line and push and push until their victim breaks and gets punished for retaliating. Seen it too many times. Schools that have zero-tolerance policies are havens for bullies.

[–] Cunigulus@hexbear.net 5 points 2 years ago

A lot of bullies just have high levels of confidence and good social skills. Most of them work out their sadism and lack of empathy in childhood and become well-adjusted adults.