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I don’t really see any difference between a migrant on your property and any other human being. If it’s fair game to shoot migrants, it should be fair game to shoot the Christian fundamentalists and Mormons knocking on my door.
Agree, but the context does matter here. Nogales is known for cartel drug (and human) smuggling. The article says the crossers on his ranch had been getting more aggressive(allegedly) so he armed himself.
The article also mentions that he saw 5 guys with large "backpacks" and rifles. That description is very likely drug smugglers (whose "backpacks" were actually 50-75lb marijuana bundles) and not just your average migrant crossers.
They also report hearing a gun shot.
But the article is sparse on how we get from that to the rancher "shooting over (allegedly unarmed) migrants heads" with a an ak47.
Especially because the timeframe was presumably "late lunch" aka broad daylight.
I'm always wary of jumping to conclusions because these stories are usually much more involved than headlines or even articles like this tend to let on.
Who the hell smuggles weed into Arizona? You can buy it at the store...
Is it necessary to smuggle weed into the U.S. at all anymore? There are huge commercial grow operations.
Smuggling it into another state, sure...
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People who grow it outside the US and want to profit off selling it in the US is who is smuggling it. Why is it even still worth doing with legalized weed, simple it's cheap to grow so it can be sold for a low price that legal markets don't want to give up their high profit margins and governments who tax the legal sales are percentage based so they have no incentive to encourage lower prices and thus the illegal market is still profitable.
The entire opening scene of Beverly Hills Cop is Axel Foley trying to stop a truckload of cigarettes without government tax stamps. Bart Simpson also stored a truckload of Laramie 100 cigarettes in his room on behalf of his boss Fat Tony which they lifted off a truck for the same purpose.
Nobody is smuggling weed over the border when you can just drive it over from any nearby state.
Who knows what they were doing, but I think it's unlikely they're going to want to get in gun fights if they're trying to sneakily smuggle something across the border.
Arizona had recreational weed available 3 years prior to this shooting. Not much weed is likely smuggled there. I'm no expert though, maybe bringing into legal states is less risky and then moving it to other states.
All that can be true and they still don't make the person investigator, judge and executioner. I guess we'll see what the defence says at the trial - I'm assuming "feared for his personal safety" will feature heavily.
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Exactly, how did he supposedly identify them as migrants without talking to them?
Yeah, pretty sure that's the plan for most of them.
Republican Rep. Justin Heap says his bill would apply the law to farmers and ranchers using deadly force against trespassers on their land, not just in their home.
I just have a hard time believing anyone wants to live like this. Everyone aiming guns at each other waiting for the slimiest justification to open fire and whomever survives claims self-defense.
What if the person you're aiming at is a zombie?
Zombies don't count. They don't have souls since they are voodoo.
But the Voodoo Zombies specifically work by enslaving souls/minds...
Is this where we find out your dark secret? Have you been killing innocent victims of evil Voodoo priests?!?????
Wait, are you telling me I can't marry a Zombie?
So if I have a pot on my back porch and I grow some basil in it, does that make me a farmer? Can I start shooting the delivery drivers who are bringing packages to my door?
"His case has garnered the sympathy of some on the political right, with several efforts raising hundreds of thousands of dollars for his defense"
I hate this country.
Also, I'm really puzzled that this walking maga stereotype used a Russian weapon to attempt to murder an entire group of brown people. You'd think a guy like this would consider that "commie" shit. These types make as much sense as religious nuts.
Wow. Just.. wow
American Conservatives love Russia. It's exactly the brand of Dictatorship they want.
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They should try the Nitrogen mask on him.
If someone shows complete lack of empathy and kills other humans like this, why should we have empathy for him?
Because everyone deserves forgiveness?
All he has to do is cry some Rittenhouse tears.
I’m not American so I’d appreciate if someone could explain what’s wrong (legally, not morally) in this situation? From what I understand you’re free to shoot trespassers on your property, isn’t that what the whole “muh freedom” culture about?
From what I understand you’re free to shoot trespassers on your property, isn’t that what the whole “muh freedom” culture about?
Castle doctrine applies to people trespassing inside of your home, not just anyone on your land. We just had a guy get life in prison for opening fire on college students who drove up his rural driveway when they had the wrong address.
If they let this guy get away with what he did, it's actually a pretty scary precident for all of us.
You should read the article.
I think he's lying, but the defense's claim is that the group the man was in posed a credible threat, as an armed group.
Of course, his victim didn't have any weapons, so gl with that one buddy. We don't have the full picture but that's a pretty damning detail by itself.
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Typically deadly force can only be used if you think your life or safety is threatened, the police will still investigate the shooting and if they think your life or safety might not have been in jeopardy you'll end up in court hoping to justify your actions to a judge and jury.
You can't just shoot anyone on your property as some people will have legitimate reasons to be there. As the other person said, your life has to be in danger.
Some states have expanded this to cover public property as well ("stand your ground") while many others give you a duty to retreat before you're justified in killing someone.
Thank you for the explanation.
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