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submitted 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) by UlyssesT@hexbear.net to c/askchapo@hexbear.net

For me it's been like a splash of cold water to the face, remembering just how fucked up reddit-logo tier liberal takes were, are, and will likely continue to be.

I'm sure there's downsides to complacency, but it was nice having some ground assumptions when going into a thread, like "society can and should be improved somewhat" or "the ruling class acts in its own immediate self interests and any other claims regarding their motivations are propagandized lies" or "climate change is real, it's bad, and it's getting worse," or more trivial stuff like "Tesla cars aren't good."

I'm sure potential comrades are out there and while it really is necessary to reach out to more people at some point (offline too, orgs especially, but while we're here, you know?), it's been sobering to realize just how far rightward mainstream "progressive" liberal thought really is on average. yea

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[-] Lerios@hexbear.net 39 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

i saw someone call someone "good sir" unironically. i thought that was just one of our jokes and people stopped doing that in like 2014, but no redditors are still cringe as fuck

but it has been very nice seeing people ask in good(ish) faith about things i thought were obvious and seeing comrades answer with honest, accessible, well thought-out explanations of theory and its applications. sometimes looooong explanations lol.

I think its been fun tbh, dunking and educating, but then again i appreciate that i haven't been on the front lines of the posting war the same way that some comrades have fidel-salute

[-] marx_mentat@hexbear.net 37 points 1 year ago

How many straight up fascists can hide comfortably with liberals in plain sight without any of their neighbors noticing.

[-] betelgeuse@hexbear.net 36 points 1 year ago

Getting real tired of the most lazy lolbertarian arguments that haven't been in vogue since 2007.

HOW WILL PEOPLE HAVE HOUSES IF NOBODY OWNS THE HOUSES AND RENTS THEM? IT'S UMPOSSIBLE!

Read a fucking book. Just fucking one. Goddamn. It's like a Young Republicans meeting found out about lemmy. This is the exact kind of sophomoric college debate club shit I grew out of 15 years ago. YOU'RE ON THE INTERNET. THE SEARCH ENGINE IS RIGHT THERE. SPEND 10 MINS LOOKING SHIT UP.

[-] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 22 points 1 year ago

Read a fucking book. Just fucking one.

They read Harry Potter and Ready Player One. What more could you ask for? very-intelligent

[-] ChestRockwell@hexbear.net 17 points 1 year ago

That person today just really couldn't take the L.

What blew my mind is they took everything individually rather than seeing the class critique. mao-wtf

[-] BurgerPunk@hexbear.net 31 points 1 year ago

I've felt that too. I can't stand reddit debate nerd shit. But, having never used reddit, I've had fun pushing back on the reddit libs shoulder to shoulder with fellow hexbears and other lemmy comrades.

So there's an aspect of this I've found myself enjoying/invigorated by. But, i might get over it, and i can understand it already feeling old to people who've already been through it before.

I do hope that within hexbear their will still be a place to have actual discussions amoung leftists who have disagreements whithout being derailed by libs, who don't share any of our common understandings.

[-] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 26 points 1 year ago

Even the argument style of such liberals is quaint to the point of exhausting sometimes, but there's nothing I can do about it. Calling out how stale and laughably false their bullshit is doesn't stop them from continuing to smear it everywhere.

[-] BurgerPunk@hexbear.net 24 points 1 year ago

Yeah, i tend to just use mockery, since i find that quaint nerd shit silly and hilarious. I hope that they can learn to laugh at themselves instead of taking arguing with people so seriously as to use such an exasperating and bizarre style of interacting with people online. And if they don't learn that, they deserve to be mocked even more lol

[-] PorkrollPosadist@hexbear.net 20 points 1 year ago
[-] BurgerPunk@hexbear.net 20 points 1 year ago

michael-laugh that guy is the worst. Terminal reddit brain

[-] TrashGoblin@hexbear.net 30 points 1 year ago

Mainly I've noticed that most of the comments on /c/Risa are from hexbears.

[-] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 27 points 1 year ago

I see no issues there. dax-stoked

[-] meth_dragon@hexbear.net 30 points 1 year ago

i crossed paths with the fallacy guy

i think defederation should be removed as a feature, and that we should forcibly federate every instance and drive these fuckers from our lands. this pussyfooting around with civility and rules based interactions are an exercise in futility because most of these people are programmed to respond in bad faith when ideologically challenged and would not show us anywhere near the amount of courtesy we have shown them had the shoe been on the other foot with respect to posting power (which is kind of how we ended up here in the first place). there is no baseline of respect on their end to work from and likely negative will to work towards even a minimally balanced mode of discourse because they are a bunch of terminally main character brained metropole dwellers who see us as npcs to be punched down upon.

stalin stopped at berlin, we should not make the same mistake.

[-] charlie@hexbear.net 9 points 1 year ago

I just finished reading through the third Admin post on Blahaj.zone, and reading through all the shit takes towards Hexbear has me real sad.

You’ve articulated my thoughts better than I could right now.

rat-salute-2

[-] corgiwithalaptop@hexbear.net 27 points 1 year ago

At first the mod log had me like stalin-stressed

Now it has me like stalin-approval

[-] the_itsb@hexbear.net 27 points 1 year ago

I'm really happy you federated, because it helped me find you. I'm sorry it's been stressful and dramatic, but I'm hopeful it'll even it soon and that enough good comes of it to make the effort worth it.

Thanks for being here. ❤️

[-] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 20 points 1 year ago

We all had to find Hexbear somehow. meow-hug

[-] milistanaccount09@hexbear.net 25 points 1 year ago

I already got banned from one of the comms I was interested in posting in so I'd say it's not going great? Finding out the memes of the fediverse were dogshit was also a bummer but not surprising in hindsight. I did like the sigmarxism reddit so I'm glad lemmygrad has one though

[-] iridaniotter@hexbear.net 24 points 1 year ago

The liberals coming here and/or complaining about us is good content, but other than that very little has been gained. I've had a lemmygrad account for a while and none of the other instances are any good, so federation is pretty useless. It's nice that lemmygradians can comment here now, and it seems like there are a couple hobbyist instances/comms that people are enjoying.

[-] pooh@hexbear.net 23 points 1 year ago

For me it's been good overall, though I tend to ignore the bad cases who wander in. Despite the few trolls/libs/reactionaries, there are some cool new people who've been interacting here and it's also nice to be exposed to new communities on other instances for topics that interest me.

[-] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 18 points 1 year ago

I'm glad to hear that. I should look out for more examples of what you've been seeing. bloomer

[-] BeamBrain@hexbear.net 20 points 1 year ago

We have to interact with people outside our little comm at some point if we don't want it to die a slow death of attrition. Many, maybe even most people will be unreachable, but we were able to cultivate a sizable userbase back on Reddit just by being uncompromisingly left and very active. There's for sure a lot of trash on Lemmy, but it's not worse than Reddit, and I think ultimately, we will get new comrades out of this.

[-] TreadOnMe@hexbear.net 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I respectfully disagree. The site culture pre-federation was unlike anything else, anywhere else. There was no other trough for that brand of slop. We wouldn't have died, but it just wouldn't grow very fast or change very much over the years. We have still, fortunately, maintained most of that site culture, but it will never be as chill and friendly as it was. So far it's been fine, but none of the other sites (sans Lemmygrad) have basically anything interesting to say that isn't just said on Reddit or 4chan.

[-] MerryChristmas@hexbear.net 8 points 1 year ago

I think some of the more interesting users are somewhat invisible because they're setting up here and using hexbear as their home instance. I've seen a lot of new usernames in the past week.

[-] Assian_Candor@hexbear.net 19 points 1 year ago

Hooking up w Lemmygrad feels like peanut butter and jelly

The rest of it I can take or leave, like yeah it’s funny watching libs get dunked on for their brain dead takes but I also feel a piece of my brain die when I am forced to read one

[-] HiImThomasPynchon@hexbear.net 18 points 1 year ago

Outside of the horrified LIB s, I feel like federation brought the average user age down by like 15 years.

[-] FuckYourselfEndless@hexbear.net 18 points 1 year ago

Endless tears about losing another site to terminal Redditism. I'm not reading your fucking your fucking sidebar rules.

[-] FuckYourselfEndless@hexbear.net 16 points 1 year ago

Your fucking your.

I can't read or type anymore. Toooooom any tears obscuring my vission.

[-] JoeByeThen@hexbear.net 17 points 1 year ago

I miss the defederated days. It was really nice not having to see the reddit-logo brainworms. I've gotten spoiled with being able to assume that most of the people I'm talking with have a certain level of geopolitical knowledge, whether through studying or meme osmosis. Seeing all the accusations of bots and putler shill bullshit on hexbear was rather jarring. That being said, I do hope things settle down with blahaj.zone so my trans and queer comrades can grow and strengthen their community. flag-trans-pride fidel-salute

[-] kristina@hexbear.net 16 points 1 year ago

dipshit redditors and libs so dumb they cant read and must invent new definitions for words

literally inventing stories about us so that they can feel smug about themselves

[-] PM_ME_YOUR_FOUCAULTS@hexbear.net 16 points 1 year ago

Most of the other instances, while having good folks on them, collectively suck ass and are run by weak ass liberals who pretend they don't have any ideology

[-] Des@hexbear.net 16 points 1 year ago

i've been around less because i'm working nonstop again but i'm shrug-outta-hecks so far.

i like the union with lemmygrad since it feels like we just made a bigger, more powerful hexbear

some of the tech focused communities are interesting.

the libs are genuinely pathetic seeming. it's cool to see the occasional good take from the lib instances and i hope they come join us.

it seems busier here overall

[-] ChairmanSpongebob@hexbear.net 15 points 1 year ago

I think it's good to see that there aren't any calls from Hexbears to defederate from this or that instance, unlike the other instances which can't seem to handle our politics mostly. Pretty disgusting to see some of the shit they make up for excuses to defederate, calling us bigoted, or Trump supporters etc. We have to deal with their actual holocaust denial, casual misogyny and ableism, and their smug liberal superiority complex the accompanying racism and you do see us talking about pulling the plug over it?

[-] CriticalOtaku@hexbear.net 11 points 1 year ago

Fuck it, we need to dig our heels in and not go anywhere. The lemmyverse is a communist project- if the people using it can't even tolerate leftist voices being heard, they're the ones who should fuck off.

It hasn't changed much for me considering I'm the only real communist on a site filled with liberals even before federation.

[-] SnAgCu@hexbear.net 14 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I'm still naive, I still think the coherent arguments are good and the tactical PPB is just okay. Of course, it's like <1ppm of liberals who can get over the "PROPAGANDA! THAT'S A CCP TALKING POINT" instinct and start to do even basic Chomsky-level analysis of the world. "Thought-terminating" is absolutely apt to describe the way these people operate.

Still, I don't think I'll transition to just sending giant lenin emojis to guys as rebuttals. I also don't really blame anyone who wants to. At any rate it is literally just posting words on the internet, it doesn't matter either way.

I want hexbear to get more new and old comrades on board. Libs somehow continue to surprise me with how monstrous, how proudly ignorant they are. Same stuff as always, really sicko-wistful

[-] Dolores@hexbear.net 12 points 1 year ago

measuring liberalism in ppm like hitler-detector

[-] PorkrollPosadist@hexbear.net 14 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

My experience began in earnest when I launched Matapacos, though I had dabbled earlier. Overall, it has been pretty positive. At first, I was worried about catching the ire of the mega-instances, but as time went on, I found that the vast majority of cool people that I end up following aren't domiciled there anyway. The same will turn out for Lemmy in the long run, but the Lemmy network is nowhere near as mature (politically) as the Fediverse itself. Things will be volatile for a bit. The whole federation / defederation war will burn out at some point, and communities will develop on either side of the wall.

footnoteBy mature (politically) I don't mean that it has universally good politics, but that it is less volatile and that many people have transcended the initial stage of "go to the big instance" to finding an instance which aligns with their trade / craft / politics / interests.

We just pulled the plug on mastodon.world (175,141 accounts) and it only severed 56 follows (total, for all users on the instance, incoming + outgoing). Averaged out, 1 out of 3 users lost ONE person from their follow list.

[-] daisy@hexbear.net 13 points 1 year ago

Endlessly entertaining.

[-] Florist@hexbear.net 13 points 1 year ago

This site was slowing dying before federation. Federation breathed new life into this website, so it's good.

[-] TreadOnMe@hexbear.net 9 points 1 year ago

The site was doing fine before federation. We had had much longer and slower periods. This is just much more activity than usual.

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[-] bbnh69420@hexbear.net 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Mixed. There have been a couple super nice moments of recognition to people outside of lemmy/lemmygrad. However, majority is getting sucked into old Reddit argumentation patterns. But also upvote number bigger

[-] AssortedBiscuits@hexbear.net 11 points 1 year ago

It's like I'm on Reddit again in all the worst possible way. Well, at least we aren't federated to some NSFW instance.

[-] CriticalOtaku@hexbear.net 11 points 1 year ago

I've been staying local and playing home games, going Good Cop/Comrade Cop in discussions here, because I don't have the time nor energy to argue with assholes all day (I'll go thru and up-vote y'all tho, cos apparently I'm a Chinese/Russian Replicant). Also, so far nothing's really come up in my wheelhouse when I hit All/Active (a.k.a. the I-Want-To-Kill-Braincells setting), tho tbf maybe I'm using it incorrectly and not subscribing to the right communities or whatever. I did go and check out lemmy.film but the takes there made me start spontaneously bleeding out of my eyes so yea . It's been heartening to find fellow traveler's out in the wild and them finding their way to Hexbear.

Nothing's made me angrier than that covid thread in c/doomer. It's one thing to spew bullshit in a news thread on lemmy.ml for whatever, but to come in here and see people actually grieving and to "but, aksually" that. Then to go crawling back to where he came from and play the victim after getting called out for being a monster. I've never felt more misanthropic in my entire life.

I call for a Protracted People's Posting War upon the Fediverse. mao-shining

[-] MerryChristmas@hexbear.net 9 points 1 year ago

It's been about what I expected, which is a lot of hard work (insofar as posting can be considered work) for minimal results. It's an important step, but there's a lot of room to refine our messaging strategy now that we've extended our reach. I predict a lot more drama to come.

I do miss seeing y'all in every thread, but absence makes the heart grow fonder and I've come to really appreciate my fellow hexbears. The wave of liberalism has made our own differences and infighting seem petty by comparison. I've enjoyed the renewed spirit of comradery around here.

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[-] BodyBySisyphus@hexbear.net 5 points 1 year ago

There's a community out there? cat-confused

[-] RedQuestionAsker2@hexbear.net 5 points 1 year ago

I've had a blast seeing all the arguments. I think Hexbears have become complacent, and a lot of the arguments started out lazy and just went for juvenile dunking strategies. But I think people are getting back into the swing of things.

I'm sad about the conflict with blahaj, though

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