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Worse than Buchanan, worse than Jackson, worse than Nixon, worse than Reagan

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[-] sovietknuckles@hexbear.net 135 points 9 months ago

4th most upvoted comment in a thread of 843 comments:

Jan 6th made him the worst, say what you want about Buchanan or Jackson but at least they did their atrocities within the system they were elected to uphold.

"Say what you want about genocides, at least they weren't Jan 6"

[-] joaomarrom@hexbear.net 92 points 9 months ago

jesus fucking christ lmao that comment feels like it was written in some kind of laboratory as a distillation of pure liberalism

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[-] Dirt_Owl@hexbear.net 67 points 9 months ago

"Do what you want as long as it isn't against the rules!"

God these people are pathetic

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[-] CyborgMarx@hexbear.net 58 points 9 months ago

A tacit admission that liberals construct their morality around what the state deems acceptable

It a worldview like that, a half-hearted insurrectionist riot becomes worse than countless massacres and dispossessions

A literal upside-down ideology

[-] Evilsandwichman@hexbear.net 36 points 9 months ago

A literal upside-down ideology

A privilege held by those safe from the state violence that's levied against others that they carelessly protect; the moment they get a taste of this violence (and I hope they do), now they want reasonability and humanity and they start being rational. An infantile view of life is a privilege of the safe.

[-] hexaflexagonbear@hexbear.net 54 points 9 months ago

wtf

Isn't it also not true of Andrew Jackson? He refused to enforce a supreme court ruling, famously. Lol.

[-] buh@hexbear.net 48 points 9 months ago

now that I think about it Jan 6 was actually good since only chuds and cops were killed

[-] Evilsandwichman@hexbear.net 24 points 9 months ago

And in true gift that keeps on giving fashion, the chuds were dragged by fellow chuds and accused of being leftists.

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[-] NephewAlphaBravo@hexbear.net 47 points 9 months ago

If the system allows for genocide then that system doesn't deserve to exist.

[-] VILenin@hexbear.net 46 points 9 months ago

You can tell how reluctant they were to use the word “atrocities”. It won’t be long before even that is too much to ask for from these genocide apologist fucks

[-] Tankiedesantski@hexbear.net 27 points 9 months ago

They were just ~~following~~ giving orders!

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[-] Zodiark@hexbear.net 98 points 9 months ago

Bush doing a judicial coup and succeeding is far more disruptive of social norms than Jan 6th was. Bush's invasion of Iraq was more destructive than any of Trump's decisions.

[-] GalaxyBrain@hexbear.net 45 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

The only hatred deeper than what I have for George W Bush is one that would lead me to throwing my life away to end his. I hate him even more for unlocking this degree of hate. There isn't a word in any human language for my contempt for that loathsome wretch and it's probably good that we as a species cannot conceptualize this level of hate in words. I have Ahab hatred for him and even though ill for sure outlive that despicable cur, with my last breath I will curse his name as he lays dead and that is an absolute promise.

And I. Canadian, imagine how someone from Iraq might feel.

[-] Zodiark@hexbear.net 28 points 9 months ago

Something I've learned from talking with people from oppressed groups, is that vengeance and hatred in their hearts is often overcome with a desire to salvage the remainder of their life and overcome their past.

Vengeance, malice, and retribution are poisons and echoes of victimizer that deforms and mutilates the oppressed and we must all live with purpose and humanity.

[-] MF_COOM@hexbear.net 36 points 9 months ago

You want to get a lib to say the most deranged shit possible ask them who they thought was a worse president, Bush or Trump

[-] sexywheat@hexbear.net 36 points 9 months ago

Yeah, do you want to measure how bad a president was in terms of his "decorum" or "violation of norms", or how "respectable" they were? Or number of human deaths caused by their policies?

[-] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmygrad.ml 27 points 9 months ago

I mean the point is that even according to the most stupid liberal points, the one they right now whitewash was much worse than the one that is their enemy #1

[-] Maoo@hexbear.net 26 points 9 months ago

But was he a CHEETO

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[-] Rom@hexbear.net 67 points 9 months ago

There were presidents who were literal slaveowners but okay

[-] zifnab25@hexbear.net 57 points 9 months ago

It was a different time! Nobody knew slavery was bad yet!

[-] barrbaric@hexbear.net 43 points 9 months ago

Also multiple who directly oversaw the deliberate genocide of the indigenous peoples of north america.

[-] Egon@hexbear.net 63 points 9 months ago

Experts say being too online is worse than owning slaves

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[-] Wheaties@hexbear.net 58 points 9 months ago

experts who only know about the 21st century, apparently

[-] Wheaties@hexbear.net 75 points 9 months ago

and even with that Bush was obviously worse

[-] Wheaties@hexbear.net 56 points 9 months ago

and Obama was a rubber stamp to practically all of Bush's policies, so he's worse too

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[-] yuli@hexbear.net 46 points 9 months ago

Disagree. Millions dead is nothing compared to attempting to destabilize the world's most powerful democracy. That could lead to untold global suffering. Millions would have died of covid even if he had responded well (and had not axed the pandemic response thing back in like 2018). Trump's response was bad, and he definitely had an impact, but not as much as you might think.

xi-plz

[-] BovineUniversity@hexbear.net 45 points 9 months ago

Trump's response was bad, and he definitely had an impact, but not as much as you might think.

Unironically true, millions of Americans would've died of covid under any realistic American president. There's literally no circumstance in which an American leader puts forward actually good covid policy, and in which the American people actually follow said policy.

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[-] Discopanda@hexbear.net 43 points 9 months ago

Trump is not even close to Reagan and Bush, what the fuck are they talking about.

[-] BovineUniversity@hexbear.net 31 points 9 months ago

Show me Reagan's mean tweets

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[-] JohnBrownsBussy2@hexbear.net 43 points 9 months ago

Broke: Trump is the worst president because norms.

Woke: Buchanan or Andrew Johnson were the worst since they betrayed their country to uphold slaver power.

Bespoke: Jimmy Carter is the worst since the neoliberal turn and the Volcker Shock destroyed the economies of the 3rd world and set back the global movement towards liberation and socialism back by a 100 years.

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[-] CrispyFern@hexbear.net 41 points 9 months ago

Not even the worst of my lifetime mission-accomplished

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[-] Wheaties@hexbear.net 38 points 9 months ago

I'm open to arguments for the worsitude of other presidents,

but fuck Johnson got to define the reconstruction era practically by himself -- a country not even a full damn century old yet, blown apart by civil war, and he decides to save the southern plantation aristocracy WHAT THE FUCK what the fuck would world history look like without either Booth or him in the VP slot, it's fucking unimaginable --; I damn well want to see those timelines, I desperately desire to know the weight and magnitude of that little shitstain's life on the fabric of causality. I don't believe in hell, but he makes me wish i could.

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[-] FugaziArchivist@hexbear.net 37 points 9 months ago

right before the 2020 election, Chomsky predictably got liberal press attention by saying trump is worse than hitler... for climate change denial. Uhhhh ok

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[-] GalaxyBrain@hexbear.net 37 points 9 months ago

Experts are incredibly dumb then.

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[-] PaulSmackage@hexbear.net 32 points 9 months ago

Harrison's term was basically a three hour speech and then dying. I don't think you can get much worse at being a president

[-] Mokey@hexbear.net 24 points 9 months ago

Thats the best one

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[-] citrussy_capybara@hexbear.net 31 points 9 months ago

worst president in history

[-] DivineChaos100@hexbear.net 29 points 9 months ago

Why people will eventually stop listening to "experts" on things they are actually right on.

[-] Dirt_Owl@hexbear.net 27 points 9 months ago
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[-] CountryBreakfast@lemmygrad.ml 24 points 9 months ago

What a ridiculous, meaningless designation.

[-] marxisthayaca@hexbear.net 24 points 9 months ago

The president that rips off the mask and abandon the facade of moral and idealistic policing of the world makes people feel bad about being an exploitative and genocidal nation.

It's one thing to excuse all other presidents as bumbling into disasters of untold scale, but it is another when the tv show host does it on purpose.

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