Yeah! And it helps that there is no karma here. We just give a hoot about preservation and sharing. :)

A lot of reddit subs push the shit too. Look at any text-based story subreddit. They all inevitably get a "don't question the facts of the story" rule, which then invites charlatans to start lying.

TalesFromTechSupport and IDontWorkHereLady are probably the two best examples. They went from "I was asked to fix a guy's computer and he was using the CD tray as a cup holder" or "A woman came up to me at target and asked where the corn was and I said I dont work here and she got embarassed" to just utter made up farces and bullshit

Man I remember watching this happen in realtime to r/AbruptChaos. There were two simple rules 1.the video must start out calm 2. there must be an abrupt moment where multiple things start happening at once. It slowly went from every post being great, to more than 90% of them being chaos the entire video or only having one bizarre event. Idk if it was moderation getting loose or karma-farming or both but hopefully its a while before that starts happening here.

Users flood the community with low-effort content to karma farm

That's where the mods kick in. That's why Askhistorians are awesome and some other subs are not.

Subs die or prevail with the mods at hand. If the users grow, but the mods do not, and it becomes too much for the mods to handle, it will fall. It's easy logic.

The problem isn't the quantity, the problem is moderation in regards to the quantity of the userbase.

I could never wrap my head around the concept of "karma farming"

Ironic that the admins bullied r/piracy mods to reopen

The one that gets me is photos of screens instead of screenshots. And not like a crashed 3ds or a blue screen. Like in a game or an app where the screenshot button was right there 🙃

There's still the corporate pressure from the host. I assume most people wouldn't be hosting Lemmy from their home for bandwidth/uptime reasons. Its hard to find a truly bulletproof VPS anymore. And they aren't cheap. With the VPS and storage you could be looking at $60-100 out of pocket.

Mine runs me around $55 a month and I have to rely on daily backups since it could be shut down with enough pressure.

Someone has to pay for this, which I imagine will be a problem eventually. I run mine for my own personal use, then I open the instances up with whatever resources I have left over. But if I was running an instance of 10,000+ users, I wouldn't be able to afford that.

Reddit was never fun to start with, also the API garbage is not the first reason that made it shitty. Lemmy is ready to take over.

If it's not currently a problem then I don't think we need to ban them. Having to remember a bunch of rules and worry about occasionally tripping one is annoying; and having an occasional stupid meme post isn't really the end of the world as long as they're not drowning out useful discussion. If it ever reaches the point where they are then of course things would be different, but that's not the case right now.

We should just make a PiracyMemes community.

Worth noting that what you upvote/downvote is "publicly available" to see on the fediverse if anyone does start to automate moderation actions. Like on reddit where you could get banned from multiple subs for posting on a different one.

By necessity, so that Reddit wouldn't have been obliged to intervene and close the community.

I considered the r/Piracy sub a 'gateway' - it didn't overtly provide pirated content, but it made the pirated content safer and more accessible for people who weren't already familiar with it, or updated us on news for platforms going down or changing hosts. It made piracy accessible.

Of course accessibility means bringing in low-effort users, lurkers, and those who make choices out of comfort/convenience over principle, but it still provided a service.

Not wrong, but did we seriously travel back to late 2000's 4chan? There's far more apt ways to communicate the concept that communities tend to degenerate to fit the lowest common denominator of their users, and that will only shift lower as the userbase grows. Any community will be better quality when the majority of its userbase consists of people deeply invested in the topic.

I've found that talking like a reasonable adult rather than relying on NEET/internet denizen slang as shorthand tends to help "hot takes" like this be taken more seriously. It also gives more for others to respond to, in regards to adding anything useful to a conversation/comment chain.