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I do want to bring up, that, from what I've heard, the victim in the Jacob Geller stuff didn't want to come forward about it. I cannot imagine what it's like to become a social media sensation this way. I know the truth is out now, but like I don't think she wants to see randos chiming in with their based opinions on all the terrible things the legal system should have done to her abuser. It just really puts me off that this was released without her involvement.

I've seen it so often that people ignore the victim and instead go about focusing all attention on enacting violence against the rapist. It's basically like a cue for the "good men" to be allowed to pretend to be protectors of women via performative extreme violence against the "bad men." Ofc it isn't just men doing this, but still.

I'm not like an anti-violence person btw I do believe we should have feminist violence, but I believe in the violence necessary to abolish patriarchy, not legalist and performative ultra-super punishment against the endless stream of rapists that patriarchy creates; it doesn't help to whack the moles harder if you don't address why they keep showing up and it definitely can't un-rape people. If we just used half of the mental energy we spend fantasizing about creative ways to punish rapists on actually helping victims... imagine.

I think calling it ruining their futures is an unfair framing. It's applying justice blindly, rather than giving even more to those who've already been given everything.

I had a lot of sex and a fair bit of drugs and alcohol in college, but I never did anything remotely similar to these men because I'm not a rapist. These men made their choices, and if a preponderance of evidence can be obtained they'll financially pay for what they probably did, and if the jury can be convinced they will face the penalties for what they did beyond a reasonable doubt. When all is said and done they're free to rebuild their lives however they can and we should treat them as having paid their debts to society (barring any Brock Turner level punishment)

It's not like they left the victim with an easy future.

They made the choice to ruin their life. Anything else is them evading the consequences of their own actions.

The woman's life is already ruined, so why not ruin theirs too?

(I know their life isn't ruined forever, but it might as well be for the foreseeable future)

Oh no, if it isn't the consequences of my own actions

But it was just one time (that they've been caught)! /s

Why don't you just shorten their futures?

Some decisions will follow you for your entire life. You don't get a pass when you are drugged, fair or not it's all on you. Life is not fair, what you did wasn't fair, what will happen to you isn't fair, and that's the way of the world.

Castration may be in some cases more effective and cheaper for the community?

I like to characterize this as a direct consequence of their own bad decisions, and not something other people are doing to them. They chose to be shit and it only works out for them as long as other shits are there to protect them. Take away that privilege and they whine that they're being victimized when the consequences are no longer deferred.

I hate this timeline :((((

Back in the 90's our country (BE) dealt with a case of someone who kidnapped young girls and ...I'll spare you from having to read the rest.

He was jailed, to this day still is. And he probably will be for life. Good. (He'd probably be lynched if he did get out)

It has ALWAYS been the case that this man was regarded as a deep shame upon our country. That he is beyond redemption has ALWAYS been set in stone.

Seeing how discourse has changed globally I'm not so sure that a similar case would get the same propper justice today. I hope/trust the justice system would do it's thing. But the morality of public discourse is slowly eroding.

Diff case more recently: some celeb gets caught harassing women through txt. Half the country just shrugged. Now they even celebrate his return. Wtf.

Well on the one hand if you have an official judgement it should not be reduced just because this will negatively impact the perpetrators life. On the other hand we always need a way to resocialise perpetrators or they will just don't care when they get out of jail. Further we life in a world where judgements are used against minorities or as a political weapon.

The judical system in the US is fucked.

We aren't ruining their future; they are.

Hear hear!

Reporting to the police does not guarantee justice.

FBI crime data shows that law enforcement clears 26% of reported rape cases. In this data, “cleared” may mean someone was arrested or even that the suspect was deceased; it does not necessarily mean the perpetrator was charged, convicted, incarcerated, or otherwise held accountable.

The clearance rate directs our attention to the 74% of survivors of rape whose cases remain unresolved every year. That’s at least 125,274 people who reached out for justice they may never receive.

4 in 5 reported perpetrators are never charged with a crime.

For many survivors, reporting sexual violence means entering a system where the outcome is uncertain. A report may be investigated, cleared, closed, declined, or moved forward—but only a fraction of reported cases lead to criminal charges.

A 20-year review of sexual assault case outcomes found that just under 20% of reported rape and sexual assault cases are criminally charged.

This number points to one reality: many survivors report sexual violence without seeing the person who harmed them formally charged with a crime.

Being believed by police does not ensure accountability.

A 20-year review of reported rape and sexual assault cases found that 89% were “founded” by law enforcement, meaning police determined that the crime more than likely occurred.

But only 8% of reported rape and sexual assault cases ended in conviction.

In other words, police believed most reports, but very few cases led to the perpetrator’s conviction. Survivors can be believed and still not get the legal outcome they seek.

Justice requires more than recognizing harm. It requires systems prepared to move cases forward and support survivors through what comes next.

They ruined their own lives. They had a choice.

If these were 25 year old black dudes at a house party the president would be lining up the televised firing squad.

There are some "mistakes" that simply disqualify a person from living a normal life. When it permanently traumatizes someone, that mistake should follow the person who made it for the rest of their life.

Yes. Or at least I hope so. Presumably there are no criminal judges here as they seem to be the most inclined to the opposing viewpoint.

It is insane to me that this gets hauled out as a reason for light sentencing over and over again. Having an impact on a person's life is literally the point, and here they are openly sidestepping it.

Surprising no woman: Men are more likely to say they trust how officials handle sexual assault

The survey, which was first shared exclusively with The 19th, found that women are 14 percentage points more likely than men to say they think elected officials have done too little to prevent sexual assault. Women are also 13 percentage points more likely than men to say they think college sororities and fraternities hurt campus culture, and 10 percentage points more likely to say they don’t trust sororities or frats to respond appropriately to claims of sexual assault.

Happened to stumble on this and it's incredibly on topic with the comments I've been fielding today on this topic.

these people have no problems ruining the futures of countless women and girls. the very least they deserve is the legal and social consequences of their actions.

Hot take, this should not even have to be a question posed. This should be the default and there's nothing you can say to convince me that a person doesn't deserve the full brunt of the law being thrown down on them for these heinous acts. I don't care who it is, how much money they have, or what position in government they hold.

Based