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[–] kivihiili@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 6 days ago

we do! one inch is exactly 25.4 mm. fluid volumes are almost always seen in both standard measure and metric. most disposable plastic water bottles contain 500 mL of water. lots of engineering for american stuff is actually using metric measures too, including automobiles!

other places use the standard measure as well. in canada, you'll construct something with 2x4s and 4'x8' sheets of OSB. in the UK, oh goodness... it's a complete catastrophe. you'll see distances in kilometers but speeds in miles per hour, and don't even get started on stuff like body weight measured in stone, or the breakfast cup (these are actual, real units!)

a very good example is altitudes of aircraft. except for russia, china, and some ex-soviet nations, it will be in feet (or hundreds of feet; "flight level" 320 is 32 000 feet!). this holds true from the bahamas to japan to lithuania. the speed unit knot is a bit weirder, doesn't neatly fit into either boat (pun absolutely intended), and is worthy of its own write-up.

whatever units you use, really our main suggestions would be to follow in the footsteps of the SI (even if using non-SI/non-metric units), be clear, and be consistent!!

stay safe and happy measuring :)

[–] heartSagan5@lemmy.zip 2 points 6 days ago

Because “‘MURICA” okay?

[–] TrollAccount69@lemmy.ml -1 points 6 days ago

Because there’s no reason to switch.

[–] artifex@piefed.zip 87 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Originally it was because the ship carrying the official metric measures from France to the US in 1793 was captured by pirates. More recently it’s because there was a near-revolt when Jimmy Carter tried to reintroduce it in the 1970s in an attempt to make the US even slightly less regressive.

[–] yenahmik@lemmy.world 22 points 1 week ago (3 children)

That reminds me of a road in AZ that had signage in KM when I was a kid. I guess it was a part of this program and it never got changed back? It was always a mindfuck suddenly seeing kms instead of miles on road trips through the area.

[–] artifex@piefed.zip 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

There was a stretch of the Florida coast that had metric in the late 90s and early 2000s, but people kept stealing the speed limit signs. They also had a problem with people misunderstanding 100kph (about 60mph) and doing 100mph instead.

[–] RiderExMachina@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 week ago

“Misunderstanding”. They just wanted to speed

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[–] erusuoyera@sh.itjust.works 49 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Because the entire country has a foot fetish.

[–] green_goglin@thelemmy.club 11 points 1 week ago

Fact Check: TRUE

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[–] Valthorn@feddit.nu 46 points 1 week ago

Technically they do. The US units are defined by the metric system, and they are full members of the Metre Convention since 1878.

[–] DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world 33 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Officially, we're the only ones still using imperial units. But, the British use a mash-up of units in their daily lives, as does Liberia and Myanmar.

Reagan pulled the plug on our attempted conversion in 1980.

We'll convert someday, probably after our imperial reign is over, somewhat fittingly.

[–] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 23 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Except it's not imperial units, it's US customary. Similar names, different actual quantities.

[–] Tikiporch@lemmy.world 27 points 1 week ago (8 children)

USA uses both, just like the UK and Canada. It's standard in the states for...medicine, the military, science, and... two-liter beverage bottles.

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[–] huf@hexbear.net 21 points 1 week ago

because they industrialized before metricalization and it would've been incredibly expensive to convert all their machines and tooling to metric afterwards. same reason as the UK. a lot of places industrialized later, in metric from the start, and didnt have this problem.

and then they became the hegemon, and didnt have to convert, because fuck you, why should i cooperate with vassals.

the US will convert to metric when it sinks to the level it deserves and the customary units become a pain because nobody else is willing to deal with them and all the importable equipment is in metric.

[–] JollyG@lemmy.world 18 points 1 week ago (4 children)

The US uses the metric system. SI units are provided by Federal Government for almost every quantifiable product produced by a federal agency and its been like that for decades. Often they use a mix of customary and SI units, providing conversions between the two in official reports. Generally you see customary units communicated when work more directly impacts the general public with more technical work using the SI system. Many industrial fields use predominantly the metric system as is the case for medicine and many engineering fields.

The US does not use, exclusively, the metric system because many units had been adopted by convention prior to the formalization of the modern international SI system and for cultural or historic reasons people don't want to change.

That's not so different from other places where measurement systems in common use are often retained.

The metric system debate is, for me, one of the most interesting cultural bugbears on the internet. Because it does not really matter that much what system of measurement a nation uses, its really not going to impact your life that much at the end of the day. Particularly in the modern era where conversion is as trivial as looking up a calculator online. But for whatever reason people get huffy about the metric system.

[–] kivihiili@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

you make valid points! however, you did misuse some terms (no shade though hehe)

"SI" is short for "système international d'unités", or international system of units. thus, we call it "the SI", not "SI system".

the SI outlines practices for using units, along with an approved set of units. they are the ones who say to write "3.2 kg" and not "3.2kg" or "3.2 Kg", for instance. the units outlined include stuff like the meter, kilogram, and second too—in fact the SI is the successor to the "meter-kilogram-second" system! however, the SI does not include units such as millibar or liter. hectare, for example, is a metric unit, but is not an SI unit. this wikipedia page has a big list of them.

basically, the SI is a standard used so scientists don't get confused by units.

the metric system, or rather a metric system, is a framework for attributes of stuff (aka numbers and units!) that is decimal-based (i.e. around powers of 10), uses a set of specific base units, and has ways of specifying unit multiplication applicable to any unit. the SI is a metric system!

while there are other metric systems too, most commonly you will see the spirit of the SI used in conjunction with non-SI units. this is what "the metric system" usually means. the liter is a very common example; the SI would say liter is not to be used and to instead use cm³, but you'll still see L and mL about. their connotations are useful!

but yeah honestly so long as they work and don't cause confusion use whatever units you want.

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[–] terminal@lemmy.ml 16 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Not the only country Liberia uses the imperial system too.

I think its more odd that many countries use a mix (e.g. the UK with units like stones and some lengths in imperial while others are not)

It's mainly older people that use imperial in my experience. Though we still have things like miles for roads.

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[–] Maturin@hexbear.net 14 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Because my car gets 40 rods to the hogshead and that’s the way I like it!

[–] jtrek@startrek.website 14 points 1 week ago

We're a stupid country rules by assholes and morons.

You just know if someone tried to make a serious push for it, all the fox news types would go into a frenzy. It'd be an easy way to whip up their idiot base.

[–] Admetus@sopuli.xyz 11 points 1 week ago

As a science teacher, when I see a worksheet online mention inches or pounds, that open tab on my browser closes at a rapid speed.

[–] AbouBenAdhem@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

My theory is that the federal nature of the US leads to a default popular attitude of hostility toward any policy that originates above the state level, unless there are commercial interests willing to pay for the marketing and campaign contributions to sell it to the people and/or legislators. And businesses aren’t that interested in an improvement that only marginally affects their profits.

[–] artifex@piefed.zip 5 points 1 week ago

One of the very first things the US govt standardized was the size of screws because it was wreaking havoc with shipbuilding efforts.

[–] Malica@lemmy.zip 6 points 1 week ago

Nation of proud morons. Most of them do unofficially anyway

[–] Horsey@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Americans aren’t taught the metric system in school in a way that would force them to understand why it’s better. American education rarely teaches life skills, and in my case, almost none at all even though I was a full honors student at a top high school.

[–] Godric@lemmy.world 13 points 1 week ago

Americans absolutely are taught the metric system.

Source: was once in elementary school

[–] halferect@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago

We use both

[–] Uranus_Hz@lemmy.zip 5 points 1 week ago
[–] myyass@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The actual answer is it's too expensive to convert everything at this point. If it takes months to get a pothole filled, good luck with changing all the sighs even as a start. A lot of people use metric anyway. SAE tools can go where the sun don't shine. Fuck your fractions. Give me a 10 or a 12 or a 17 (mm, stay away Jeffrey) makes more sense than 13/32" ... just why, it's so dumb.

[–] octobob@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 week ago (5 children)

SAE tools for SAE hardware. I agree, saying something like "gimme a 7/16 wrench for this 1/4-20 by 3/8 bolt" is probably like speaking a foreign language to someone accustomed to metric. But you get used to it if you see it every day.

Now metric measurements of wire are fucking ridiculous in my eye. AWG (American wire gauge) all day. The metric equivalent measures the diameter of the wire and calls it like 1 mm2 for 18 awg, 1.5 for 16, 2.5 for 14, 4 for 12 awg etc. AWG keeps it nice and easy, every other even number starting at like 32 down to 2.

It does get a little fucky from there tho lol. Like then it goes 1 and 0 AWG, then 1/0, 2/0, 3/0, 4/0 (pronounced like 1 awwt), then 250, 500, 750, 1000 MCM. But I've also heard those sizes of 250-1000 called KCMIL instead for.... reasons....

It's like most of our measurements. It's what "feels" right if that makes any sense. Fahrenheit is more accurate to what changes are noticeable to the human body, a foot or a yard just paints a way better picture than half a meter etc. I'm sure most of it is based off like farmers or something rather than scientific measurements.

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[–] Ghost_Mermaid@lemmy.zip 5 points 1 week ago (13 children)

I'm old enough to remember when they tried to convert us to metric. I can tell you why.

People tried to force it on us and we don't need the metric system for daily use. Trying to force people to use it isn't going to work. Now, personally, I'd prefer if measurements on rulers and in cars were still given in both systems.

Metric advocates tend to be smug and insulting towards anyone not using the metric system. I have seen this myself more than once. Calling a whole nation stupid because they use a different but functional system of measurement is hardly a good strategy for converting them to your system.

I learned the metric system in school. I understand that the metric system is superior in many sciences. I have strong interests in anthropology. And here I am at 55 and I have never, not once, needed to use metric. Bone measurements are often given in metric but it's not such a big issue that I need to wholly convert to metric.

My question is, what's the big deal? Is the metric system a religion? I've seen evangelical Christians less intent on converting people. Why?

[–] communism@lemmy.ml 15 points 1 week ago (3 children)

The main reason it annoys me is because a lot of English-language recipes online are written by USAmericans and therefore use imperial units that I have to convert. I've also noticed that they seem to measure everything in cups even for things where it makes no sense to use volume (flour is a common one—isn't baking supposed to be precise? Flours can have different densities, air pockets, etc). I find ounces really confusing because they can be volume or mass.

Also, imperial is not standardised, so different countries have different amounts for a cup, an ounce, a pint, etc. I guess I can check the recipe author's country and then convert to metric. But I just find it confusing. Can't we just all use the same units that are nice and easy to use together since they're powers of 10?

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[–] robot_dog_with_gun@hexbear.net 3 points 1 week ago (11 children)

base 10 is way better than whatever the fuck cups, pints, ounces, different ounces, and so on are

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[–] Bristlecone@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago

Bass ackwards

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