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Why Hierarchy Actually Rewards The Worst Among Us (lemmy.dbzer0.com)

submitted 1 week ago by A404@lemmy.dbzer0.com to c/anarchism@lemmy.dbzer0.com

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A clip from this livestream: youtube.com/live/Q6c3pXG62K4

It's often said that hierarchy is necessary because humans are selfish and greedy. But is that really the case? Hierarchy creates a system where the worst actors are given the easiest path to power.

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[–] Neptr@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

AMONG US?!!!!??!?

[–] LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

[–] A404@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 week ago

Lizard looks kinda sussy here

[–] phil@lemmy.openitco.de 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

[–] A404@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 week ago

i think selectoral theory would be more fitting here

[–] DarkCloud@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Proving it is irrelevant, the point is to change it.

[–] lIlIlIlIlIlIl@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago

Have to name it to tame it

[–] Souvenir@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Cunts are still running the world.

[+] DudleyMason@lemmy.ml -8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

No such thing as the absence of hierarchy. Removing explicit hierarchies simply creates implicit ones, which actually tend to elevate worse people than explicit hierarchies.

The Tyranny of Stuctureless https://share.google/SVXexcnipMwEed6pr

Research Reveals Pervasive Implicit Hierarchies for Race, Religion, and Age – Association for Psychological Science – APS https://share.google/mLKLVtIqyxcRXuEj5

[–] punkisundead@slrpnk.net 9 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The Tyranny of Stuctureless https://share.google/SVXexcnipMwEed6pr

I think thats a grave misreading of this text when you have it as a source for "Removing explicit hierarchies simply creates implicit ones".

Its a call out for groups that do not give themselves clear structures, roles, processes for decision making etc which can result in implicit hierarchies, especiallg long term. Bringing "structure" into those groups or building up groups from the ground up with horizontal structures are ways take on these issues.

[–] DudleyMason@lemmy.ml -4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

No, those are ways to make sure your "horizontal structures" are dominated by the most charismatic Neurotypicals in the room at all times, to the detriment of anyone else.

[–] punkisundead@slrpnk.net 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Could you maybe explain how you come to this opinion? Because its hard to follow for me

[–] DudleyMason@lemmy.ml 1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Observation of the social dynamics described in the links above as they apply to any social group anywhere.

Humans are Apes. Every troop of Apes has a leader, and further stratification below that. Humans are no different. If there isn't a structure (deference to elders, to the smartest, etc) pushing for a different outcome, the dominant ape in a human troop is generally the most charismatic individual, with the strata below that generally determined by similarity or proximity to the leader. In any group larger than a handful, the most charismatic will almost certainly be Neurotypical.

[–] tangentism@beehaw.org 0 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

Humans are closer to bonobos and they are a matriarchal based social group

[–] DudleyMason@lemmy.ml 2 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Bonobos are apes, and a matriarchal leader of a troop is still a leader, so I'm not sure what this is meant to say in response to what I wrote?