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[–] Star@lemmy.blahaj.zone 26 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

I hate clankers as much as the next person, and providing money to war profiteering should obviously be avoided with great priority...

But really? This is a wild comparison on so many levels. There are ways to use AI ethically, and there are ways to use it unethically, amd blinding yourself to that conversation is willful ignorance.

[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 13 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

This should be obvious.

Using AI to detect cancer early? Using AI to help find new beneficial medications? Using AI to advance materials science? Great! Things like these are absolutely what we need more of.

Using AI to steal massive amounts of content made by non-consenting parties and regurgitate for AI corp profits? Using corporate algorithms to manipulate output to generate results favoring corporate billionaire owners economically and politically? Using it to make sexual photos of non-consenting women and underage girls? Using it to find ways to deny coverage, strip more money from people, wage war, attack intelligence and discourse, and remove accountability for corporate owners? Fuck that.

Guess which ones the oligarchs prefer.

[–] Star@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 2 weeks ago

Well said! It's almost as if the conversation is being intentionally moved to 'YES AI' (sexy future times) vs 'NO AI (Luddite, dumb, regressive) instead of what every conversation is actually about, which is that morality should never be allowed to be determined by wealth.

[–] BlackRoseAmongThorns@slrpnk.net 7 points 2 weeks ago

AI != LLM != LLM chatbots.

But in this case the use of "AI" means "LLM chatbots", nobody is really making an argument against other kinds of AI, like what is used to detect cancer (there is an argument to be made about having a black box in a medical context, but this is not the place for it).

[–] raspirate@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Honestly I'd say it's a pretty apt comparison. Pledging to defend your rights while avoiding using anything labeled "AI" because fascists use it is about as smart as pledging to defend your rights without using guns because fascists use them.

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[–] hardcoreufo@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago

Absolutely. I've softened my stance a lot recently. I think local llm are fine. The data has already been crunched the books destroyed and the water used so I may as well play with one locally. If you set realistic uses as a tool its fine. Need a quick script great at that. Summarize some notes, or search through them also great. Not really into image gen or anything else but anything helping me get dumb stuff out of the way for just myself its a W. I'm not down with using it for public facing stuff.

[–] neuracnu@lemmy.blahaj.zone 25 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

People figured out how to make statistical inferences smart enough to write kinda like humans and do a bunch of other things really really well. We would ignore them at our own peril.

Accepting their output as a replacement for human art and expression is another matter entirely.

[–] Fawkes@lemmy.zip 2 points 2 weeks ago

Careful. If you start being too reasonable people might accuse you of using ad hominems.

[–] punkisundead@slrpnk.net 16 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Fascists didnt invent AI, Gen AI or LLMs. They are just using them, selling and making money with it.

Same with cars. Fascists didnt invent the car or EVs. They are just using them, selling and making money with it.

But you wouldnt call someone out for driving with their car to a antifascist protest, would you?

[–] db2@lemmy.world 14 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
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[–] lennybird@lemmy.world 8 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

So no using guns either. Got it.

Sometimes I think these are righties just trying to limit the left's ability to push back.

PS the phone or pc you're using alongside the internet service in 99% of cases originates from inhumane and ostensibly fascist origins that rape the lands, use major server farms (data centers), and exploit cheap labor, and advances oligarchies. Better brick them, right..?

In a war where losing means living under fascism and imperialism, where we fight for freedom and our very right to exist, we need to consider every tool at our disposal—even those used by our oppressors.

When they are willing to rig elections, run disinformation campaigns, and use violence and terror tactics on their own citizens, we can't afford to quibble over which tactics make us feel good. That's what it means to fight for our lives.

[–] DarkCloud@lemmy.world 6 points 2 weeks ago

You can run you own models on your own computer using KolboldAI.

There's nothing innately fascist with GAN and Neural Network technology.

[–] CovfefeKills@lemmy.world 6 points 2 weeks ago

Remember that time Hitler didn't trust atomic bomb research because it was "Jew technology" that was awesome for the world.

[–] Waffelmeister@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

I don't think AI is anti-ethical or fascist per se. As many argued here, you can run it locally, you can train it on public data sets, etc.

But there is another problem that is hardly mentioned. Let's call it a culturally negative feedback loop. AI is different from any other tool because it pretends to be an universal tool. It can generate music, pictures, videos, text, code. If we as a society outsource all those skills to automatisation, there's a real danger we unlearn those skills.

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[–] AlteredEgo@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

The machine gun was an imperialist and fascist technology of oppression. But call it a Kalashnikov and it becomes a tool for liberation.

Do not listen to neoliberal fuckai morons. Think for yourself what tools you can use or not. If machine generated AI slop is indistinguishable from real human "art", then it was never art but human slop to begin with. What generations of rom-coms and participation trophies does to a people's ego.

Push for meaningful regulation of AI instead of endless whining and villifying people like e.g. non-capitalist china does: https://regulations.ai/regulations/china-summary

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[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 5 points 2 weeks ago

TIL that technology can have political opinions.

[–] deft@lemmy.wtf 3 points 2 weeks ago

This post is a little silly. Weapons like swords, guns, etc are the original fascist weapons.

[–] jaypatelani@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 weeks ago

Use tech or fund tech like Zig Programming language, Haiku OS , NetBSD which have Anti AI policies

[–] Beeen132@feddit.org 3 points 2 weeks ago

The weapon is dehumanizing others and it's a weapon that gets used pretty often here.

[–] nanometer1625@thelemmy.club 3 points 2 weeks ago (6 children)

There is no such thing as "fascist technology". Technology is just a tool. It can be used for good or evil.

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[–] DarkSideOfTheMoon@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

This “purism” is the reason why they keep winning. Letting only them using the most powerful tech humanity ever made is just like not voting for Harris because of Gaza. Look the mess we are now. How much we need to lose to stop this purism?

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[–] Modern_medicine_isnt@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

Aren't they taking a loss on every AI operation? Like a big loss. So use enough, especially free versions, and you will drive them to bankruptcy. Lol

[–] RickyRigatoni@piefed.zip 6 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

They can just make more money to keep the bubble from popping. There is a limit to that but how much damage to the environment will they do before that point?

[–] Modern_medicine_isnt@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

If by make more money, you mean get more investment capital from the wealthy... they can. And those people who have their money in these companies when the bubble bursts will lose a very large portion of it.

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[–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

If you use the free versions, you are still feeding them content to train their models.

Depends on what you send as a prompt.

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[–] nutbutter@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 2 weeks ago

Batman The Dark Knight Returns is probably the best comic

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