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[-] [email protected] 162 points 3 months ago

I feel like since that's a very useful product it will not be made available to me.

[-] [email protected] 28 points 3 months ago

It'll be kept within product marketing and, I dunno how, but it would absolutely be used to see what they can raise prices on

[-] [email protected] 152 points 3 months ago

I want said AI to be open source and run locally on my computer

[-] [email protected] 37 points 3 months ago

It's getting there. In the next few years as hardware gets better and models get more efficient we'll be able to run these systems entirely locally.

I'm already doing it, but I have some higher end hardware.

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[-] [email protected] 20 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

I can run a pretty alright text generation model and the stable diffusion models on my 2016 laptop with two GTX1080m cards. You can try with these tools: Oobabooga textgenUi

Automatic1111 image generation

They might not be the most performant applications but they are very easy to use.

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[-] [email protected] 136 points 3 months ago

We really need to stop calling things "AI" like it's an algorithm. There's image recognition, collective intelligence, neural networks, path finding, and pattern recognition, sure, and they've all been called AI, but functionally they have almost nothing to do with each other.

For computer scientists this year has been a sonofabitch to communicate through.

[-] [email protected] 60 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

But "AI" is the umbrella term for all of them. What you said is the equivalent of saying:

we really need to stop calling things "vehicles". There's cars, trucks, airplanes, submarines, and space shuttles and they've all been called vehicles, but functionally they have almost nothing to do with each other

All of the things you've mentioned are correctly referred to as AI, and since most people do not understand the nuances of neural networks vs hard coded algorithms (and anything in-between), AI is an acceptable term for something that demonstrates results that comes about from a computer "thinking" and making ~~shaved~~ intelligent decisions.

Btw, just about every image recognition system out there is a neural network itself or has a neural network in the processing chain.

Edit: fixed an autocorrect typo

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[-] [email protected] 35 points 3 months ago

I think you're fighting a losing battle.

[-] [email protected] 15 points 3 months ago

You're right, but so is the previous poster. Actual AI doesn't exist yet, and when/if it does it's going to confuse the hell out of people who don't get the hype over something we've had for years.

But calling things like machine learning algorithms "AI" definitely isn't going away... we'll probably just end up making a new term for it when it actually becomes a thing... "Digital Intelligence" or something. /shrug.

[-] [email protected] 10 points 3 months ago

It isn't human-level, but you could argue it's still intelligence of a sort, just erstatz

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[-] [email protected] 22 points 3 months ago

AI = "magic", or like "synergy" and other buzzwords that will soon become bereft of all meaning as a result of people abusing it.

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[-] [email protected] 88 points 3 months ago

The bad news is the AI they'll pay for will instead estimate your net worth and the highest price you're likely to pay. They'll then dynamicly change the price of things like groceries to make sure the price they're charging will maximize their profits on any given day. That's the AI you're going to get.

[-] [email protected] 13 points 3 months ago

If capitalism brought me into this world, will it also take me out of it?

[-] [email protected] 12 points 3 months ago

Are you subscribed to Existence Premium or just Basic?

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[-] [email protected] 58 points 3 months ago

Next, she's going to want a Libre AI that does not share her information with third parties or suggest unnecessary changes to make her spend more at sponsored businesses.

[-] [email protected] 46 points 3 months ago

AI could do this. Conventional programming could do it faster and better, even if it was written by AI.

It's an important concept to grasp

[-] [email protected] 16 points 3 months ago

Cameras in your fridge and pantry to keep tabs on what you have, computer vision to take inventory, clustering to figure out which goods can be interchanged with which, language modeling applied to a web crawler to identify the best deals, and then some conventional code to aggregate the results into a shopping list

Unless you're assuming that you're gonna be supplied APIs to all the grocery stores which have an incentive to prevent this sort of thing from happening, and also assuming that the end user is willing, able, and reliable enough to scan every barcode of everything they buy

This app basically depends on all the best ai we already have except for image generation

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[-] [email protected] 42 points 3 months ago

I'm sure there are companies who'd love to develop something like this. And collect that information about exactly what groceries you currently have and statistics of how you consume them, so they can sell it to advertisers. Not advertisers that sell these groceries, of course - for these the AI company could just make the AI buy them from suppliers that pay them.

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[-] [email protected] 40 points 3 months ago

I want AI to control traffic lights so that I don't sit stopped through an entire cycle as the only car in a 1 mile radius. Also, if there is just one more car in line, let the light stay green just a couple seconds longer. Imagine the gas and time that could be saved... and frustration.

[-] [email protected] 29 points 3 months ago

That's already a thing, though it isn't AI driven. Many intersections have sensors that detect traffic and can change the lights quickly or let them stay green longer if you're approaching it. It's only getting more advanced as time goes on.

https://youtu.be/pTR3Cn5DnHY?si=nXtqHqVMsw47FmQZ

https://youtu.be/P_EmAKRrlBc?si=McCO_tE43FaPkRL9

[-] [email protected] 10 points 3 months ago

As always, such systems need infrastructure investment to make them widespread.

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[-] [email protected] 18 points 3 months ago

Doesn't need AI, and there are countries that already have a system in place with the same result. Unsurprisingly the places with more focus on pedestrian, cyclist, and public transit infrastructure have the most enjoyable driving experience. All the people that don't want to drive will stop as soon as it is safe and convenient, and all those cars off the road also help with this because the lights will be queued up with fewer cars.

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[-] [email protected] 24 points 3 months ago

I mean, when that xkcd was made, that was a hard task. Now identifying a bird in a picture can be done in realtime on a raspberry pi in a weekend project.

The problem in the op isn't really a limitation of AI, it's coming up with an inventory management system that can detect low inventory without being obtrusive in a users life. The rest is just scraping local stores prices and compiling a list with some annealing algo that gets the best price to stops ratio.

[-] [email protected] 18 points 3 months ago

It's too bad the actual users will be the grocers price fixing for maximum profit.

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[-] [email protected] 38 points 3 months ago

google used to do this type of stuff then you get SEO shit and in the same way people would try to game the system and ruin it

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[-] [email protected] 36 points 3 months ago

We were already robbed of the brief value stage of AI, it came out of the gate with a corporate handler and a ™

The internet had a stretch where it was just useful, available and exciting. This does not.

[-] [email protected] 14 points 3 months ago

Local models are a thing, and GPT is extremely useful in some cases, even with the corporate handholding. I find the whole space super exciting, personally.

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[-] [email protected] 36 points 3 months ago

This is surprisingly difficult problem because different people are okay with different brand substitutions. Some people may want the cheapest butter regardless of brand, while others may only buy brand name.

For example my wife is okay with generic chex from some grocery stores but not others, but only likes brand names Cheerios. Walmart, Aldi, and Meijer generic cheese is interchangable, but brand name and Kroger brand cheese isn't acceptable.

Making a software system that can deal with all this is really hard. AI is probably the best bet, but it needs to be able to handle all this complexity to be useable, which is a lot of up front work

[-] [email protected] 17 points 3 months ago

As long as the AI has access to their ongoing purchase histories it's actually quite easy to have this for day to day situations.

Where it would have difficulty is unexpected spikes in grocery usage, such as hosting a non-annual party.

In theory, as long as it was fine tuned on aggregate histories it should be decent at identifying spikes (i.e. this person purchased 10x the normal amount of perishables this week, that typically is an outlier and they'll be back to 1x next week), but anticipating the spikes ahead of time is pretty much impossible.

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[-] [email protected] 35 points 3 months ago

Wasn't the first part what "smart fridges" were supposed to solve like 10 years ago?

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[-] [email protected] 21 points 3 months ago

So many people in this thread saying "you can already do this if you just do all these extra steps" like avoiding extra work isn't the whole point.

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[-] [email protected] 17 points 3 months ago

I'm sure Sara is not ready to be served the optimal outcome from a competitive multi-agent simulation. Because when everyone gets that AI, oh boy the local deals on groceries will be fun.

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[-] [email protected] 17 points 3 months ago

And also the hottest thing a woman can say:

"It runs on lokal hardware"

[-] [email protected] 11 points 3 months ago

Men want one thing and it’s fucking disgusting.

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[-] [email protected] 12 points 3 months ago

Cant I get both? Here are your weekly projections, sir. You will need to get this list of items at these locations and here is what you would look like as a latin american dictator. Enjoy

[-] [email protected] 12 points 3 months ago

I want both.

[-] [email protected] 11 points 3 months ago

There are websites that do things like this. For some time I worked in one. The part missing here is analyzing the user’s pantry.

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[-] [email protected] 11 points 3 months ago

It's not exactly an ai-task, I guess? Like pretty much the only ai-related thing there is to classify stuff in ocr-ed receipts (technically, one can opencv whatever is in the fridge, but I suspect it won't be reliable enough).

[-] [email protected] 29 points 3 months ago

Bruh. If AI is being taught to drive cars on the open road then I feel like cameras to detect what's in your fridge is pathetically easy in comparison and very much an AI task

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[-] [email protected] 11 points 3 months ago

What is an "ai task"? Their task is anything we assign them to do.

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[-] [email protected] 10 points 3 months ago

I think it would be a perfect function for ai. It’s more than just determining what is/is not in the fridge. Compiling the grocery list and determining which store has the best price for the goods would be great but also the ai knowing the mode of transportation as well as the weather and time of day would be critical as well to determine if it is worth going to multiple stores or not.

[-] [email protected] 9 points 3 months ago

AI could potentially do, “write me a python script that scrapes a website for grocery prices and compares them with another” or something.

[-] [email protected] 9 points 3 months ago

Why are so many of you trivializing the fact that providing perfectly formatted input data that having set logic figure something out is a VERY different thing than providing a firehose of data and then asking the software to make sense of it? Like have you been paying attention here at all?

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