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Shopify CEO Tobias Lütke, whose company commands a market capitalization near $154 billion, told his social media followers this week that a tax-tiered voting system—one that would strip voting rights from anyone who pays no income tax—would be a “good system.”

That two-word endorsement, dropped into a viral thread, has reignited a debate over wealth, power, and democracy that most Americans thought was settled more than a century ago.

The proposal would invert the founding American principle of “no taxation without representation” into something closer to “no representation without taxation”—and specifically, high taxation. Reactions online split sharply: Some framed it as a provocative thought experiment about aligning fiscal responsibility with political voice, while others called it a naked attempt to legitimize plutocracy by giving billionaires and multimillionaires a formal, multiplied vote over the laws that govern everyone else.

But it also revealed that America is grappling with a political economy debate, as a frozen housing market and an entrenched wealthy baby boomer demographic have many, not just Lütke, arguing that something big needs to change

At this point, their necks practically beg for the guillotine's blade. They keep reminding us:

The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of . . . tyrants.

-Thomas Jefferson in November 13, 1787, letter to William Stephens Smith.

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[–] ParlimentOfDoom@piefed.zip 104 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

one that would strip voting rights from anyone who pays no income tax

So he's in favor of stripping the voting rights of billionaires?

[–] Waterpumpee@lemmus.org 33 points 1 month ago (2 children)

i think thats his argument. make billionaires pay tax to compete for policies. basically calling bribes tax or real life p2w, which it is currently but legal.

My take is, sack all of these billionaires and idiots on an remote small little island and let them figure out how they wanna govern themselves.

[–] tutter@lemmy.blahaj.zone 14 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Like atlas shrugged? i like it! If we use the Randian framing they'll probably eat it up!

"nooo dont leave whatever will we do without someone to boss us around noooo please dont isolate yourself on a remote island pleeeeeease"

and then just not let em back in if they try

[–] Dojan@pawb.social 5 points 1 month ago (4 children)

Since they shit and cum so hard over that book, I’m surprised they haven’t just done it yet. Honestly.

[–] hoppeduponcoffee@lemmy.zip 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

The self-serving “anarcho-capitalist” whore that died dependent on Medicare and social security.

[–] Enkrod@feddit.org 7 points 1 month ago

HEY! Don't do whores dirty like that.

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[–] Sabin10@lemmy.world 10 points 1 month ago

Does one vote matter if you can buy thousands?

[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 23 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Tobias Lütke is a German born Canadian. Why is he commenting about US elections at all? He has never voted in the US.

[–] porous_grey_matter@lemmy.ml 18 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Because he makes money from it, capitalism and fascism have no borders.

Edit: and I'm sure he's voted with his dollars.

[–] phutatorius@lemmy.zip 7 points 1 month ago

Because he hates democracy everywhere, and thinks the US might be the next to fall, if it hasn't already.

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[–] Tolookah@discuss.tchncs.de 17 points 1 month ago

Okay, but if you're going to do that, those who pay more in taxes as a ratio to their net wealth should have more votes.

Also fuck shopify.

[–] Australis13@fedia.io 17 points 1 month ago

Yet another reason for me to dislike Shopify.

I already hated that all the small retailers I use have migrated to it and it pushes you to set up an account so that it can connect all my purchasing habits together from what should be independent retailers.

[–] Derpenheim@lemmy.zip 16 points 1 month ago (1 children)

??? The richest people wouldnt vote. They pay no income tax, famously.

[–] 4am@lemmy.zip 5 points 1 month ago

I wonder if this is what he meant but somehow I doubt it

[–] TheReturnOfPEB@reddthat.com 15 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

The problem here is that we have confused "financial success" with "merit".

They are almost always mutually exclusive.

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[–] wizbiz@lemmy.blahaj.zone 13 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Perfect example as to why wealthy people shouldn't exist. Why should this unelected idiot have this much social power to even propose this?

[–] FoxtrotDeltaTango@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Yeah, billionaires should not exist

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[–] Washedupcynic@lemmy.ca 11 points 1 month ago (4 children)

The shopify CEO wants to strip voting rights from people that don't pay taxes. So, 18-20 something year olds that don't have income and get claimed as a dependent. SAH mom's that get claimed as a dependent.

Fuck Tobias Lütke with a barbed wire wrapped dildo. Germany, Canada, please come pick up your trash.

[–] yakko@feddit.uk 3 points 1 month ago

People who don't pay taxes? Why would a billionaire want to disenfranchise billionaires? 🤔

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[–] desmosthenes@lemmy.world 10 points 1 month ago

that blood tank needs tyrant blood refilling

[–] PowerCrazy@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Universal suffrage was a mistake. Maybe a confederation of workers councils would be better.

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[–] NABDad@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago (4 children)

I think he may be onto something.

Perhaps there's some way to tie the weight of your vote to the ratio of taxes paid divided by wealth?

So, if you have billions in assets+wages, but pay less taxes than a guy earning minimum wage, your vote would essentially be completely ignored.

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[–] UpperBroccoli@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 1 month ago

But it also revealed that America is grappling with a political economy debate, as a frozen housing market and an entrenched wealthy baby boomer demographic have many, not just Lütke, arguing that something big needs to change.

Ja, I agree! People like him need to vanish. That is to say, there must not be any billionairs. They only exist because they take away value from those that work to produce it. In other words, they steal from workers, both domestic and foreign.

By law or by guillotine - those bastards need to go.

[–] JoMiran@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 month ago (1 children)

This leads to the old "lead based voting system".

[–] phutatorius@lemmy.zip 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Oh, you mean the citizen's veto?

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[–] Archimedes@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 month ago (1 children)

But everyone pays taxes, even the unemployed. Every purchase has taxes on it. For this proposal to work as he wants, the entire tax burden will have to be transferred to the income tax. Enjoy the tax hike and labor crisis.

[–] Melvin_Ferd@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

captain logical you got em.

[–] Malyca@lemmy.zip 7 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I'm reading this as taking power away from the ruling class, not giving it. Rich people don't live on income, they live on loans guaranteed against their companies and off shore wealth right? They purposely keep low to no income, so they don't have to pay income tax. This way, if they do that, it will take away their vote.

[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 2 points 1 month ago

Tax wealth, not work.

[–] foggy@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago

Because they want to run the company towns of the 2000s.

[–] Eiri@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 month ago

Is he trying to radicalize people? Damn, that's just comic book evil.

[–] xenomor@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Does anyone have tips for how to identify (and avoid) sites that use shopify?

[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 7 points 1 month ago (1 children)

There is no war but the Class War.

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[–] Bluescluestoothpaste@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 month ago (1 children)

That's literally the problem, United Statesians just believe money is the only thing that matters. Rape children, bomb civilians, pollute water and air


no, that's not a problem, we can look past that. If you make lots of money you are a good person, the more the better. That's just very literally how our society aligns itself.

Like it's so absurd, oh you took a sabbatical and had zero income, no vote for you! Like did the renaissance NOT happen? What is going on in our country??

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[–] Dogiedog64@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Because he's a Fascist worth $154B. Mystery solved.

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[–] some_designer_dude@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago

A “good system” would never allow billionaires to exist, and would entail a solution for the ones that already do.

[–] Zier@fedia.io 6 points 1 month ago

I would like to "vote" for a system where businesses pay a minimum of 35% tax, no exceptions or deductions.

[–] wolfpack86@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago (2 children)

How about no vote if your net worth is above 100m and you pay less than 25% in tax annually

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[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 5 points 1 month ago

When we claw back power, and there are social programs to cover healthcare, college, day care, etc., it will be necessary to harshly punish Sociopathic Oligarchs for their ongoing crimes (they won't be able to stop, they are mentally ill, they can't help themselves), up to, and including full confiscation of their wealth, leaving them penniless, homeless, and naked.

They will not be eligible for those social programs. They can live on the streets, and eat pigeons.

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago

Because the rich think they're better than us and have stopped fearing us

[–] Bluedragon012@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

So when we gonna start tracking the movements of these evil people so it easier for people to Luigi them?

[–] melsaskca@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 month ago

Most "nouveau rich" want to keep their wealth forever and will burn everything down to make it possible. The "I got mine!" is strong with this group. The "old money rich" will eventually extract that wealth from them over time because they are "players" and this is old hat to them.

[–] ZombieCyborgFromOuterSpace@piefed.ca 4 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Whatever. That guy is a never nude.

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[–] Jubei_K_08@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

I think most of us would be willing to try this if the more money you had, the further you are kept from politics.

[–] Jaysyn@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago (2 children)
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