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Figures are source of dispute as US defense department days ago reduced record of troops killed and wounded

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[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 8 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago) (3 children)

And how many schoolgirls has Iran killed? None? Interesting, because we killed 175.

How many American passenger planes has Iran "accidentally" shot down? None? Interesting, because we shot down an Iranian passenger jet, killing everyone on board.

How many strictly civilian American targets has Iran hit? None? Interesting, because we've killed thousands of Iranian citizens in their own country.

All of Iran's strikes against America have been military targets, which is not terrorism, it's simply war. Calling it terrorism is lame propaganda. OTOH, America routinely bombs Iranian (and Muslim) targets without regard to civilian presence.

So tell me again how Iran is the "largest state sponsor of terror in the world." It might be the "largest state sponsor of terror against Israel," but clearly America is "The World's largest state sponsor of Terror."

We're Number One!

[–] mirshafie@europe.pub 3 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago)

I get the sentiment, but Iran did shoot down a passenger plane in 2020. Most of the passengers were Iranian, and 176 people were killed.

The background is that after the assassination of Qasem Soleimani in 2020 Iran responded by striking a NATO base with missiles. The whole thing was telegraphed to the NATO troops so nobody got seriously hurt (lots of concussions though). It was the first time that Iran's missile capabilities was displayed like that, and it shocked a lot of people back then. Iranian media said it was a "proportional response", but of course it really was very careful and underwhelming considering what had just happened.

It's difficult to imagine now, but back then this was a major escalation and everyone was super tense. Iran did not know how NATO would respond. Apparently an air defense soldier was so nervous that in the coming hours, he misread the radar, and fired two air defense missiles at the passenger aircraft.

Obviously the plane going down took all of the power out of the messaging that Iran was a force to be reckoned with, owing to it's missiles that had just hit the NATO base, which itself was a highly successful operation. So it really had a massively negative impact on the narrative for Iran.

[–] Jankatarch@lemmy.world 2 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago)

Most US propoganda just goes away when you look at a map.

[–] architect@thelemmy.club 1 points 20 hours ago

Iran is run by the bad guys, and I’m not talking about iranians.

This was reported in major news a few years ago.

It is entirely infiltrated by a certain countries intelligence apparatus. No not the cia.

[–] melsaskca@lemmy.ca 1 points 21 hours ago

"Quiet" database update. Everyone paints their words with feelings or slant. Just the facts, please. This is getting tiring already.

[–] dregan@lemmy.world 76 points 2 days ago (2 children)

To put that into perspective, it took the US nearly FOUR YEARS to rack up that many casualties in Afghanistan. The people running the military are incompetent as fuck.

[–] 100@fedia.io 26 points 2 days ago

fighting militia who can barely fight back vs someone with actual resources you cannot just blow up with air superiority

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 15 points 2 days ago (1 children)

The people running the military are incompetent as fuck.

The only good thing about this.

[–] anomnom@sh.itjust.works 1 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

Except for else everyone involved. A competent command wouldn’t have started this war.

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 1 points 20 hours ago

A commander doesn't have much choice either way since it's the political leadership (aka Trump) that starts wars. A competent president would probably not have started this war, but they'd have likely started other wars and ran them competently.

[–] JeeBaiChow@lemmy.world 42 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Hegseth: what were their testorone levels?

But how is the DOW?

[–] nullspace@lemmy.world 18 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Hegseth has been dispatched to your location to test the rigidity of your penis.

[–] CADmonkey@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

He has his kit for testicle phrenology.

[–] Neverclear@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 day ago

A scrotum speculum, if you will.

[–] wuffah@lemmy.world 26 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (5 children)

Wow I wish there was a system in which we could have a say as to which nations we wage war against and for what reasons. It doesn’t seem like a good idea for one person to be able to wield the most powerful military ever created.

Ah well, back to this bowl of Captain Crunch and Family Guy reruns.

[–] SirEDCaLot@lemmy.today 4 points 1 day ago

There is supposed to be. AUMF (authorization for use of military force) broke it by delegating to the President the authority to unilaterally engage in military action without Congressional approval.

AUMF should be repealed.

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[–] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world 42 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Because Iran is not bombing girls schools but military bases.

[–] breakfastmtn@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (3 children)

Yeah, Iran's unmatched in respect for human rights and the laws of war.

Civilians in Gulf Cooperation Council (GCC) countries are at grave risk from ongoing Iranian strikes in response to US and Israeli military attacks on Iran, Human Rights Watch said today. Many of the Iranian attacks have struck civilian residential buildings, hotels, civilian airports, and embassies, and have unlawfully targeted civilian objects such as financial centers.

https://www.hrw.org/news/2026/03/17/iran-unlawful-strikes-across-gulf-endanger-civilians

“If our security is not ensured, no infrastructure will be safe.” - Mohammad Bagher Ghalibaf, July 22

[–] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world 14 points 2 days ago (2 children)

All the targets you named are retaliations for similar targets bombed by those countries. High value economic infrastructure. The US and its proxies bomb a desalination plant in Iran and Iran bombs one on Kuwait. This is simple deterrence.

As for those "hotels and residential buildings" the US has admitted to shelter their personell inside of civilian infrastructure. Which is a war crime by the way. You do not get to pin that one on Iran but on the US.

Iran does not bomb random girl schools or commit blatant terror attacks against civilian targets without value in any way like the US and Israel have done.

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[–] fizzle@quokk.au 18 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Its an important clarification.

Its easy to get carried away with my hatred of Trump, and think fondly of Iran in an enemy-of-my-enemy kind of way. I have to remind myself that Irans ruling class is also detestable.

[–] breakfastmtn@lemmy.ca 20 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (7 children)

The US being a villain doesn't make Iran a hero. It's an all-you-can-eat buffet of villainy.

[–] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Considering who overthrew the democratically elected leader of Iran, replacing him with the Shah, which was then overthrown by a popular Islamic revolution that put this bunch in power, the US not being the villain might very well have made Iran a hero.

This without even considering that the posture of the various governments of the region, including Iran, is probably heavily shaped by over half a century of aggression by America and America-supported Israel in the region: who knows how things would be in Iran nowadays (considering that Persia and it's descendant, Iran, were pretty modern nations for that region) without the interference of America and the indirect pressure its violence all over that region put on even nations not directly bombed or invaded by it.

Conversely, it's a lot harder to make the case that American posture and actions are the result of purely Iranian choices which were not the direct or indirect result of the choices of others.

[–] moustachio@lemmy.world 15 points 2 days ago (10 children)

The thing is though, this is all an optional illegal war to distract from the Epstein files so the US’s child raping ruling class can continue to evade justice.

The U.S. is absolutely more evil here. It’s not even close.

[–] breakfastmtn@lemmy.ca 9 points 2 days ago (3 children)

I guess I forgot to consult my abacus.

This isn't a game. We don't have to pick a side. The Iranian government is an oppressive regime that murders homosexuals, imprisons journalists, and represses women. Their citizens live under absolute censorship and face brutal, violent repression for dissent. We're meant to cheer for that now... because Epstein? Cover up their crimes? Pretend they're fighting for justice?

Whether it's an immoral war of choice or people escaped justice for crimes associated with Epstein, why would we let it turn us into shittier people? Iran are not good guys.

[–] moustachio@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago (6 children)

The oppressive “regime” is irrelevant here. They are only being attacked because the real hostile state in the region: Israel wants us to because their blackmail operation got caught and they want to expand their borders.

The U.S. and Israeli regimes are 100% in the wrong here, and Irans government is irrelevant to those facts. They’re not helping the people of Iran, they’re doing imperialism.

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[–] mrdown@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

We picked a side in world war 2. Our side while fighting nazis had many state members colonizing other and doing massacres in colonized countries in africa

[–] mirshafie@europe.pub 1 points 1 day ago

Do you think bombing Iran helps Iran's progressives? It's impossible to change Iran as long as the US is waiting to exploit the tiniest sign of weakness.

[–] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

The point being made is that it’s not a zero sum equation, though. That’s not a defense of the US. It’s pointing out a flaw in the logical and moral argument that’s being made.

Personally, I’m on the side of Iranian civilians, but I have very, very little sympathy for the Iranian regime.

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[–] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

It does actually. Similar to how the Allies and Soviets are the heroes of WW2 despite having their own share of problems.

Most Iranian problems originate from US sanctions and Western meddling to begin with.

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[–] Fedizen@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago

I mean its definitely leaping over the low bar set by the US but yeah for much of the rest of the world this is probably somewhat of a "let them fight" moment.

The Iranian dictatorship is brutal, lots of people were killed in the recent protests (2k+). The US government saw this and bombed a children's school. What's that Napoleon quote? "Never interrupt your enemy when they are making a mistake"

Thats kinda what the US did here.

[–] RabbitBBQ@lemmy.world 18 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (3 children)

I've checked the article, and the source data (https://dcas.dmdc.osd.mil/dcas/conflictCasualties/oefu/deaths), the article headline is just wrong and since this post is using the article headline, it's wrong too. There have been 14 deaths and 417 wounded. No where does it say 600... Not sure where that number is coming from. Just FYI

[–] HootinNHollerin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Not weighing into specific numbers but causality includes wounded and deaths

https://dcas.dmdc.osd.mil/dcas/conflictCasualties/oo/byCategory

This is Overseas Operations, the new category they added as the first paragraph in the article says.

[–] Snapz@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago

Yes, you are a more credible source than the Guardian, and their army of lawyers vetting every headline for potential legal exposure.

Lucky. My dadabase never stops with the Your Mom jokes while updating.

[–] ExtremeDullard@piefed.social 6 points 2 days ago (2 children)

It's almost like war is going on or something...

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