Uh oh, the right-wingers are gonna lose their shit again.
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I don't understand why gas stoves are still the default. When you step back and think about it its crazy that we still have an appliance which produces an open flame in our homes. Not to mention that it's one of the most used things in the house (probably).
Where in the world are they still the default?
Large cities, I know where I'm from is mostly gas and it's only 300,000, Google says that "Densely populated urban states like New York, New Jersey, Illinois (including Chicago), and California report that roughly 60% to 70% of households use gas for cooking, compared to a national average of about 38%"
Oh, the US
They're not really common in homes almost anywhere else in the world, tbf. I haven't seen one in europe in decades.
The US are major exporters of LNG. It is cheap and effective in the US. When Europe was importing the majority of its gas, it makes sense they'd transition away when there's other options available.
Everything is cost related. The cost of transitioning in the US doesn't make sense. I have gas appliances, and it'd be silly to transition to electric.
Burning fossil fuels kills more than 250,000 people a year in the US. We know gas stoves contribute to that number by releasing measurable benzene (a known carcinogen). Please, tell us the cost of a human life. So that you can justify your comment that "it'd be silly to transition to electric."
I appreciate what you're saying. I see oil and gas deaths closer to 91,000, which is obviously too many, and it comes down to proper ventilation. Shit, I know I cook with windows open, and I know that was the norm when I was growing up, but mainly because it got hot af. And so, unfortunately, when you factor in the safety measures, the cost of transitioning 47 million homes to electric stoves becomes a burden.
And I don't know what the cost of a human life is. I hear this "If you save one life" thing, and I'm not sure it means anything. I've heard people spout it at hearings for cell phone towers. In an ideal world we'll achieve this perfection where nothing we do has any risk to anyone, but it's not realistic. We will always find some way to kill ourselves.
That's a lot of deflection and minimization of the issue. It's WAY more than 91,000. Give the value of a human life. I dare you. Only then can you make an argument as to what is cost effective and what is not. BTW, throwing in the complete BS about cell phone towers makes you look like a complete buffoon.
Edit: Since you did no research other than asking AI how many people are killed/year by fossil fuels (and immediately went for the lowest estimate lol), I went ahead and did the work for you. AI gives the statistical value of a human life in the US between $13.1 million-$13.7 million. Multiple that by a few hundred thousand lives PER YEAR, and it makes your argument that "it would cost too much" pretty childish. Most Americans have been convinced by their corporate overlords (which includes the fossil fuel industry) that they don't deserve any rights, and you are a perfect example. Be better.
Once You get access to (pipes), it's commonly way cheaper. Extra cheaper if You have old house, made with old tech that would be extra expensive to turn into electric heating.
If You have fair income, ok, go full electric, but for many who lives from check to check in many areas, the gas do matter.
The difference may be quite big if You live in country without fairly cheap nuclear energy, unsure i'd call green energy extra cheap. Then often mining lobby may do harm even to gov, to keep unclean and expensive energy as main source of any electricity.
Also is gas so default? Afaik, if some gonna build whole building, within new tech, it is more common to go full electricity, without any gas connection - many decide to skip getting pipes (save lots once), even if that would mean paying slightly more (per year, long term, but who knows future prices, for how long calculations).
Gas companies push gas stoves and dryers because once you have those comparatively low usage devices they can sell you on gas water heaters and furnaces which are the real money makers for them.
Also, a lot of older homes don't have a high enough amperage on their electric service to power a bunch of 240V devices. But there's no excuse for new builds outside of the local grid not being able to handle it.
Even with cheap nuclear here. My old house's connection to the grid is inadequate for switching to full electric. Getting the power company to come and upgrade the connection is prohibited expensive even before replacing all my gas powered appliances.
The number of "adults" I have met who do not think they need to run the vent and/or open a window while burning gas in their homes is deeply troubling.
Routing our range hood to vent outside is the single best upgrade we've done to our house (but also the most annoying to DIY). I'd love to have induction but with gas the outside vented range makes the issue non existent.
Even with electric, range hoods should be required to vent outside always. I don't know why it's still legal to build homes that vent inside.
It isn't legal to build new homes that vent to the inside. In the US, there is no national build code, only states regulate code. But all states default to some minimum year of the ICC codes. At this point there are no remaining states where it is legal to have a new build vented inside.
This isn't to say though that some states were late to adopt a minimum year that finally included it and maybe your semi-new-ish house just barely fell under old regulations when it was built. That said, cities can also enforce a higher code if the building is being rented out and needs to have an occupancy license and may force an owner to do the upgrade before renting out.
Oh that's awesome! The last new build I rented was built in 2013 (Ohio) and it didn't vent outside, maybe just missed the cutoff.
To be fair, there are several 'types' of home that have ways of avoiding building codes. For example, Alaska is notorious for the most lax building codes and easiest to get around. Want to build your own bushman log cabin on your 100 acres that barely passes as a shack but won't immediately kill anyone? Go for it. But if you are a track home builder trying to stand up a new neighborhood, follow the code.
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"Big electric is trying to ban gas stoves again and cancel your god give right to have indoor gas stoves"
- this statement funded by the North American Natural Gas Cartel
"Big electric is trying to ban gas stoves again and cancel your god given right to buy indoor gas stoves!" Big gas -2020
"Big gas is trying to ban coal stoves again and cancel your god given right to buy indoor coal stoves!" Big coal -1920
"Big coal is trying to ban wood stoves again and cancel your god given right to buy indoor wood stoves!" Big wood -1820
...
"Big fire is trying to ban raw food again and cancel your god given right to tear raw flesh with your teeth!"
Cave man John -60,000 bc.
Yes but if you don't get diabetes, asthma and cancer the communists will win so shut up and cook your hamburger helper on a gas stove using PFAS-ladden pan like daddy Trump wants you to.
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Gas stoves are also linked to slightly higher cancer rates. But dammit, gas stoves rule. I spent so long cooking with nonstick pans on electric stoves. Now I've got cast iron on a gas range and everything is better and easier.
Electric stoves come in two forms though: ceramic, where you have an old-fashioned spiral which heats up the plate your pan sits on and plainly sucks imho. Or induction which heats your pan directly though an electromagnetic field. The latter is more efficient and modern cast iron pans work perfectly fine on them, no need for an enamel coating
Last few years I alternated between induction and gas due to moving around, induction is a clear winner for me.
You forgot IR, which was the 'cool' electric stoves during the 80s through late 00s when induction came about and took it's spot.
Edit: and also Coil stoves (which what I thought you meant with Ceramic, but that's the slightly more upmarket version) which are the absolute worst and the standard 'landlord special' in Australia.
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Uh most induction ones are also ceramic though, and not all old-fashioned ones are.
I think you mean resistive vs induction, not ceramic vs induction
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I’m a convert. Induction is so much better. Heats cast iron like you wouldn’t believe.
Try induction. It's so much better than standard electric, and in my opinion, also better than gas.
gas stoves rule
I used to say that also but dammit, induction stoves are even better. The clear winner is my pasta pot on the big burner boils water significantly faster than gas used to
Actually I’ve noticed fairly frequently that I no longer have time to prep while things are getting up to temp - I’ve had to change my habits to do essentially all prep ahead of time (ok the pasta water still takes a bit but instead of turning it on high before doing prep, I use medium high to give me more time)
Some people have problems with their cookware, but I was already using cast iron, which works beautifully, and multilayer stainless which works beautifully. I do keep a couple non-stick skillets for eggs, or visitors to use, and had to get special ones since most won’t work.
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I'm currently in an Airbnb with a gas range, and fuck do I miss this shit. I have an electric range at home, and it's just shit. I feel like gandalf or some shit just turning down the heat and having it actually happen instantly is some next level shit.
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And heat is hot. Who would have thought that having a gas canister in your home and having it burn natural gas INSIDE of your home could somehow worsen indoor air quality. Why don’t we just put our gas grill inside as well because clearly big electricity is just spreading fake news that gas is bad.
but there is NO SMOKE
But... it smells so good :(
I will never forgive my landlord for replacing the perfectly good gas stove with ceramic glass garbage.
I can't even boil pasta properly because the damn thing switches between off and on every couple of minutes so it goes from a rolling boil to barely a simmer repeatedly.
I hate it vehemently.
It's also impossible to clean. After one use a layer of grease seemed to meld with the glass and nothing will remove it. I had to use heavy duty oven cleaner on it after every single use and it still didn't work. I've given up now, i'd rather replace it than spend hours scrubbing it every day.
The gas stove was a major reason for choosing this house to rent and I will not get over it. I don't have asthma and I don't have kids. I'm looking to buy a place and I am looking for a gas stove.
You should look for a place with an induction stove, so much better than gas.
I would hazard not many landlords are going to be putting induction stoves in over the cheapest electric.
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