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[–] mossberg590@lemmy.world 24 points 3 days ago

tldr; They used "special-purpose vehicle" to hide the debt. Accounting's version of "anal doesn't count, silly".

[–] iocase@lemmy.zip 77 points 4 days ago (4 children)

Oh boy I can't wait to see the future of every person under 65 and with a net worth below $100 million get basically vaporized from space. I can't wait to be the bailout source for this... Although I don't think there's enough money in existence to bail this one out.

[–] DarkCloud@lemmy.world 72 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (6 children)

Don't even raise bailouts, it's totally unacceptable this time. These companies ARE NOT essential, and are not too big to fail.

Their debts are by Venture Capitalist investors, and by billionaires from the dot com bom. They have the money to fail.

This time we let them fail.

I WANT TO SEE REPO MEN AND BANK OFFICIALS MARCHING INTO MANSIONS TO RECLAIM THE MONEY.

Let some of these assholes live in trailer parks.

[–] Asafum@lemmy.world 29 points 4 days ago (2 children)

The issue is that they became part of everyone's 401k so the bootlickers and greedy fucks in Congress will tell us they're 100% essential because if they fail you lose your retirement.

I hate this system... Redistribution of wealth for the rich, rugged individualism for the pleb.

[–] moustachio@lemmy.world 13 points 4 days ago (1 children)

They aren’t even public companies yet. They are not a part of everyone’s 401ks.

MS, AMZN, Oracle, & NVDA were around before this, and will exist even when the bubble pops. Literally zero reason for a bailout.

[–] Jaysyn@lemmy.world 21 points 4 days ago (4 children)

There is a very good chance that Oracle doesn't survive if OpenAI tanks.

https://www.wheresyoured.at/how-openai-kills-oracle/

[–] DarkCloud@lemmy.world 19 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

I hope Larry Ellison has to sell off his media companies and still has a heart attack in the end. He funds Israel.

[–] 4am@lemmy.zip 15 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Larry Ellison is an even bigger son of a bitch than your standard Israel funder.

Not just content with supporting a genocide, he wants to control all media and human behavior.

Not even to protect his collaborators, but because there’s money in it.

Larry Ellison belongs in prison.

[–] Mertn33@lemmy.world 3 points 3 days ago

He can take his shitty closed source database with him.

[–] cecilkorik@piefed.ca 6 points 4 days ago

So you're telling me AI is going to bring positive change to the world?!

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[–] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 8 points 4 days ago

Wait.....too big to fail meant that they're supposed to be important to the CITIZENS??? Fuck that! All these banks and mortgage lenders and automotive industry leaders have all been bailed out as too big to fail.

I never took that to mean that they provide value. I just took it to mean "fuck you peasants, we're big business, and therefore fuck you! Money please! Money me now!"

If I'd have known they meant it was for OUR benefit, I'd have called bullshit 20 years ago.

[–] Folstar@lemmus.org 5 points 3 days ago

The current administration is claiming AI is absolutely essential to our national security, scientific research, energy, and everything else. This is all being done by political appointees who know next to nothing in general, and even less about the history and current state of "AI". Being ordered by people who do not care about wasting taxypayer money or running up absurd deficits. Bailout incoming.

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[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 9 points 4 days ago (5 children)

with a net worth below $100 million

Far fewer than you'd think, once hyperinflation kicks in.

You'll be lucky if you can buy gum for less than $100M at the rate we're climbing.

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[–] zurohki@aussie.zone 7 points 4 days ago (1 children)

They're such money pits that they can't be bailed out - give them a hundred billion dollars and they'll be back next month for more.

They aren't a functioning business that just needs help getting back to profitability or help with some sort term crisis, they take hundreds of billions and set it on fire.

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[–] Lydon_Feen@lemmy.world 32 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I've said it before, I'll say it again...

The country which will win the AI race is the one who wastes the least amount of money on AI infrastructure.

The US will be the biggest loser in this "competition".

[–] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 3 points 3 days ago

It's going to be whichever country has the most human researchers.

[–] heartSagan5@lemmy.zip 34 points 4 days ago (2 children)

This shit led to the Great Depression… I guess it’ll be a Greater Depression, just on figures alone.

[–] No1@aussie.zone 41 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

C'mon! With Trump in charge, it has to be The Greatest Depression!

"Yes, this is The Greatest Depression. Nobody has ever seen anything like it. Even the best economists, very smart people, they say to me 'Donald, Mr President, who could know?' Nobody could have known this would happen, but they tell me it was caused by Biden. Or Obama. I've also asked the FBI to check Hillary's emails and Hunter's laptop."

[–] CeeBee_Eh@lemmy.world 16 points 4 days ago

"They said it could never happen. It could never be done. But I did it. First one in history to trigger such a great depression. The greatest depression."

[–] sanitation@lemmy.today 13 points 4 days ago (4 children)

great depression led to a ww2, is there please some chance to please not start ww3 please

[–] mirshafie@europe.pub 10 points 4 days ago

Yeah. Revolution now. We need to fucking build a parallel internationalist power structure and just freeze out the billionaires from the economy. Fuck the UN, we make our own with black flags and snooker. It's up to us to define what it means to be an adult.

[–] ryannathans@aussie.zone 7 points 4 days ago (4 children)

Unlike ww2, ww3 would not be a boon to production or the economy

Supply chains would be the first target, like how pulling the plug on rare earth metals is the goto now, and how much can be fully and entirely made at home?

We'd be sitting around scratching our asses wishing we had any form of modern appliance before long. Planes, ships, cars, generators, terbines, computers, microchips would cease manufacture without a comprehensive functioning global supply chain

Fuel, oil, fertiliser would be cut off for most countries

Without an incredible stockpile, most countries probably couldn't sustain any world war

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[–] Doomsider@lemmy.world 4 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

Two of the three most powerful nations are involved in wars of aggression and the third is backing them up. I would say we are pretty much there already.

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[–] diocesegoldmine@sh.itjust.works 37 points 4 days ago (3 children)

I genuinely am having a hard time believing this because the image looks like it was generated... The kind of reality the .01% has shoved us into.

[–] Blackfeathr@lemmy.world 24 points 4 days ago (2 children)

It was definitely generated by AI.

[–] diocesegoldmine@sh.itjust.works 10 points 4 days ago

There's some serious irony here. The exact type of irony that is distinct to the people forcing the corruption tool's existence.

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[–] XLE@piefed.social 5 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

That's because it's from Gadget Review, a website that looks like it uses AI to generate graphics and (at least) augment its articles.

The original article is at least helpfully linked at the top:
https://asia.nikkei.com/business/technology/five-us-tech-giants-hidden-debts-soar-to-1.65tn-on-opaque-ai-funding


Edit: I see Gadget Review pop up more and more and I've started liking their content less and less. The editorial guidelines say they use AI right on the page you linked. And if I scroll down and click on a random article , it's AI generated and based on a tweet by CSAM poster Dom Lucre. It's not the first article I've seen that's basically repeating a tweet from some extreme looking Twitter account either.

[–] naught101@lemmy.world 7 points 4 days ago

The image is ai generated, but the numbers from Nikkei aren't

[–] Jaysyn@lemmy.world 34 points 4 days ago (2 children)

This is why they want to get into your 401(k)s & pension funds. Don't let them.

[–] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 12 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Oh, I won't.

Mostly because I'm 42, and have no 401k, or pension.

[–] YellowParenti@lemmy.wtf 10 points 4 days ago

I'm clutching my 10k tightly. They won't be getting my future 2 weeks of groceries!

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[–] nao@sh.itjust.works 34 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Would be interesting to include anthropic, openai etc in this list

[–] albbi@piefed.ca 15 points 4 days ago

They're not public and aren't forced to report these numbers. But yeah the amount of hidden debt in AI is much higher.

[–] naught101@lemmy.world 8 points 4 days ago

Also nvidia

[–] melsaskca@lemmy.ca 11 points 3 days ago

Makes sense. Oligopolies collude. No news there.

[–] jballs@sh.itjust.works 20 points 3 days ago

I don't know why, but I read this as "Five Guys" and thought holy shit I didn't realize a burger company could be so broke. No wonder their prices are so high!

[–] humanspiral@lemmy.ca 10 points 3 days ago

A bigger factor in AI fraud economy, is the circular fake assets and fake revenue. $1T valuations in top 2 LLM providers implies $50B-$100B eventual recurring profits with little to no reinvestment. $1.75T SpaceX valuation was based entirely on fraud of at least 5x more expensive space data centers than earth and supposed 90% of value of company is based on Grok enterprise TAM. IPO was boosted with fake Anthropic paper lease where they were renting gpus for 5x the cost, and over 2x the list price of on demand rates from Nebius/coreweave, but with instant cancel clauses, and "first 2 months free" scam. 11th hour similar Google deal (who owns 6%+ of spacex) further amplified the SpaceX fraud IPO.

The main circular fraud though, is most of the companies (Nvidia not mentioned) in article put an inflated asset on their balance sheet, while trading revenue credits for those investments. Article's "footnote debt" is largely to serve those revenue credits.

[–] panda_abyss@lemmy.ca 19 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (3 children)

I am actually thinking ask of these companies imploding would be good for the human race.

Imagine a solid hard reset on the internet? Yes please.

Will this fuck me over yes, but that will be temporary

[–] ryannathans@aussie.zone 8 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Everything is temporary when you think about it

[–] einlander@lemmy.world 5 points 3 days ago

Life is just a temporary break from death.

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[–] jaykrown@lemmy.world 14 points 3 days ago (4 children)

The AI bubble will pop within the next couple of months. It's pretty interesting, I wonder if we've ever seen an economic bubble so clearly before it comes to an end.

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[–] TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 14 points 3 days ago

Five companies owe more money than their balance sheets admit. A Nikkei analysis of financial footnotes at Alphabet, Microsoft, Amazon, Meta, and Oracle found $1.65 trillion in off-balance-sheet obligations tied to AI infrastructure — binding, must-pay commitments parked in the fine print

Good thing I don't invest in these big names, not only because of overvaluation but also because of corruption. My mom told me to be careful with investing because companies go bankrupt but i kinda dismissed her concerns because I am thinking that the days of Enron accounting magic is over. But it looks like it's still alive and well. Although I doubt executives will be held accountable.

[–] someguy3@lemmy.world 16 points 4 days ago (3 children)

A Nikkei analysis of financial footnotes at Alphabet, Microsoft, Amazon, Meta, and Oracle found $1.65 trillion in off-balance-sheet obligations tied to AI infrastructure — binding, must-pay commitments parked in the fine print.

...a company creates or partners with a separate legal entity — a special-purpose vehicle (SPV) — that borrows the money and owns the assets. The tech company signs long-term leases or capacity contracts but doesn't record the SPV's debt on its own books.

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[–] Gerudo@lemmy.zip 9 points 4 days ago (2 children)

I'm not a finance wiz but would that mean these 5 companies are carrying around 3 trillion total debt? My bank won't even let me owe them 20 bucks without penalties.

[–] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 11 points 4 days ago

If you owe the bank $100, that's your problem. If you owe the bank $100 million, that's the bank's problem.

I mean, that quote maybe needs to be updated for inflation, but you get the idea.

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