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The proposed law could jail people for five years despite warnings that it violates freedom of expression

Archived version: https://archive.is/20260712011315/https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/germany-moves-criminalise-denial-israels-existence-while-refusing-recognise-palestine


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[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 45 points 2 weeks ago

how very Nazi of them.

[–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 26 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

The fuck is Germanys problem

[–] Bloomcole@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago

They're german

[–] ShotDonkey@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago

No problem. Smart. Step 1: brutalize nearly all Jews, rob all their property, kill them by slave labour (then lose war, all in shambles, but the economic elite and nazi profiteers remain filthy rich Step 2: support "the right to exist" of a Jewish state far away so you'll never have to deal with any claims and only with very little Jews in your own country Step 3: celebrate yourself as a moral champion

The German playbook in brief. Herzliche Grüße

[–] lemmelemmy@feddit.org 3 points 2 weeks ago
[–] jesusactuallyhateshorses@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

They once killed a lot of Jews. They don't want to be seen as any level of antisemitic.

[–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 6 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

They seem quite comfortable supporting genocide, and too weak to at least speak out morally regarding the matter. Say what you will about the US, Britain, and their support of this genocide; within the nations there is a palpable and significant resistance to what the governments are doing to support the genocide.

Where is the German peoples resistance to being party to yet another genocide?

Where is the German peoples resistance to being party to yet another genocide?

I guess they don't care as long as it isn't Germans doing it? 🙃

[–] Bloomcole@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago

There are some but get violently beaten or arrested

[–] Objection@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 weeks ago

The lesson they learned from the Holocaust was to get someone else to do the dirty work.

[–] Bloomcole@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago

Nothing more antisemitic than supporting zionists

[–] ryannathans@aussie.zone 18 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

And you wonder why AfD is getting so popular

[–] dbdr@nord.pub 33 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

AfD is very much not supportive towards Palestine.

[–] arrow74@lemmy.zip 18 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

It's the "Trump" effect. Many grew tired of the establishment and for some reason saw Trump as an outsider.

My dad voted Bernie in 2016, then switched to Trump. Since then he's slid into the absolute worst forms of conservatism. But it all started because he thought Bernie would fix the system, saw the system as ineffectual, and then picked the person he thought would disrupt the system.

AfD is definitely pulling on similar sentiments, and will end just as disastrously as Trump maybe even worse

[–] Aqarius@lemmy.world 6 points 2 weeks ago

"Fascism arises from the collapse of legitimacy of liberal institutions"

[–] ryannathans@aussie.zone 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

It's not about supporting Palestine (on not), the voters and party are more about what's happening to Germany

[–] Duke_Nukem_1990@feddit.org 7 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Aeguably they are not. The AfD says stuff that gets people riled up but they are the exact same neocons dialed up to 11 as the current government. Just even more racist, fascist and transphobic.

[–] ryannathans@aussie.zone 2 points 2 weeks ago

As you said, this stuff gets people riled up and that impacts who they vote for

[–] Bloomcole@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago

it's the 'normal' parties and EU fuck ups driving their voters to them.

[–] kittenzrulz123@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 weeks ago

Thats the entire point, if the left wing party is doing nothing but appealing to the far right than most people would rather just vote for the far right party

[–] pjwestin@lemmy.world 15 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

They have so much guilt over the holocaust that they're enabling the next holocaust.

[–] lemmelemmy@feddit.org 3 points 2 weeks ago

Killing brown people was never been an issue in west, nothing would happen. I bet they’d be even proud

[–] DistrictSIX@lemmy.zip 2 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Which proves that they don't have any guilt over committing holocaust per se, they just regret the one against European Jews because you know, they lost that war, so that genocide became too costly for them. This one just shifts some of that cost to innocent brown people who are presumed to be unlikely to be able to impose any retaliatory cost. So fuck'em, who cares. Just fascists doing fascist stuff.

Fork found in drawer, once again.

[–] Yliaster@lemmy.world 8 points 2 weeks ago

Always on the wrong side of history, aren't you?

[–] AlecSadler@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 2 weeks ago
[–] Formfiller@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago

Germany never met a genocide they didn’t like

[–] ShotDonkey@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago

Hey there's a new genocide going on Germany: "hold my beer"

[–] Apeman42@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago

Fuck off, Deutschebags.

[–] SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca -4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

"Anti-zionism" has turned into antisemitism. This obvious to anyone that hasn't been conditioned by this particular hate group.

Racism is difficult to measure, because if you poll people they will often lie about it. People will often lie about it themselves. "I'm not racist I just want the government to do something about those illegals. It's about the law, that's not racist!" In this case it's more "I'm not antisemitic, I'm just criticizing Israel... at my local synagogue... because the internet told me all Jews are Zionists."

But what we can measure is the fact that hate crimes against Jews has increased worldwide, those crimes often coincide with events in the Middle East. You rationalize that as being ok because you're in a hate group afraid of being ostracized or becoming a target of others within your group if you make any action in opposition to the antisemitism within your group.

When countries start taking action against your hate group, you'll rationalize those countries as being in the wrong with conspiracy theories, often antisemitic in nature. This is what it's like to be in a hate group. You're incapable of seeing the facts, you think that when people are protecting themselves from your actions that makes you the victims. You feel entitled to behave in horrible ways against people of a certain ethnicity and/or religious group because of things you saw on then internet.

Germany has a history with hate groups. They know what "Anti-zionism" really is.

[–] ChairmanMeow@programming.dev 7 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

You're very broadly generalizing all antizionists into one big antisemitic basket. Which makes no sense especially given the existence of antizionist jewish groups.

Of course antizionism can devolve into antisemitism, and we shouldn't ignore that. But equating the two is really fucking dangerous since it essentially preempts any criticism of Israel as antisemitism. And when Israel is committing genocide, that's not an acceptable position to take.

I feel for jewish people worldwide who had to suffer because Israel is committing genocide and some numnuts blames them for it. I do. But this pales in comparison with the suffering inflicted upon Palestinians. And let's not forget that there have been synagogues who have openly espoused genocidal rhetoric, which makes them a valid target for protest (a protest at a church espousing Nazi rhetoric isn't racist towards christians, nor is one at a mosque promoting Al-Qaeda islamophobic).

On a sidenote, conflating antizionism with antisemitism means claiming being against the Israeli government is being against jewish people in general, which is a deeply antisemitic statement to make. I assume it wasn't your intention but you should be very careful of your language.