Even when I know the route like the back of my hand I still use GPS. Why? Because if there's any variation in the route, such as due to construction or a parade, I'm no longer 100% sure of how to get where I'm going, and a driver that doesn't know where they're going in is one of the more dangerous things on the road IMO.
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Construction is a factor, but outside of my relatively short commute, I always use GPS, even when I know how to get there, to minimize traffic.
Like sure, I can get there without it, but if I use it I can be pretty sure I'm on the route that's fastest *right now".
Being not 100% certain of something isn't dangerous if you have critical thinking skills. It sounds like you fear what you can't plan for, which is one of the dangerous side effects of people relying on technology like this. Unless you're travelling in an area that you don't frequent, how could you be surprised by construction or a parade, both of which are things that are announced weeks ahead of time?
There's a lot of roadworks around me that I never know about until I hit them. Are you monitoring websites for that or what? I'm sure a lot of the info is available somewhere but I think it's reasonable to realise that a lot of people aren't going to get it - especially when a satnav can automatically use that information.
construction [...] announced weeks ahead of time
Lol. Try to remember you're on a global website.
I use my GPS every day on my way home from work. I know the route very well, but 10% of the time, the highway gets a crazy amount of traffic; and you can't tell it's backed up until you get on it. My GPS knows though. It saves me 30 extra minutes every time it happens and I just take the back roads.
Whether being unsure of where you going translates to being danger is entirely a matter of attitude. If you blast over lanes when you spot an exit late, then that's dangerous, but you can also just... not do that, and accept that you'll go the wrong way sometimes.
In my case, it's dangerous because I'm suddenly distracted from the road by trying to figure out where I'm supposed to be going in the immediate moment. I'm on the spectrum, and on-the-fly changes of plan spike my anxiety - nothing I can do about that except work around it. That isn't a personal fault, I'm keeping myself and other people safer on the road.
So I'm gonna keep using the GPS even when I know where I'm going, that way if I realise I'm gonna miss my exit I don't panic and instead can keep going with the confidence that the GPS will re-route me and I'll have time to be in the correct lane for the next one.
That's fair enough, if you know it affects you that way and you have a mitigation that's very sensible. I'd just emphasise that it doesn't affect everyone the same way, but you probably realise that
you can also just… not do that, and accept that you’ll go the wrong way sometimes.
You can do that, I do that, but there are an awful lot of drivers who seem incapable. My home commute has 2 lanes exiting the expressway and I need the left (inner) one to make my turn at the base. It seems like more than one trip in ten I'll have somebody driving in the right lane realize they're about to be forced off the expressway at the last second (after 2 miles of exit only warning signs, dashed stripes on the road informing them of forced exit in less than 1/2 mile, etc.) and they'll swerve without looking across my lane, often across the painted exit median covered in debris because only a few idiots ever drive on that part of the tarmac.
The trick is zooming out to get an overview. In old days we looked at a map and had and overview- I'll go north a bit and then turn west at a junction or landmark. Now it's all zoomed in- you go straight for 3 miles and turn right with no idea where you are relative to other things.
Also having everything rotating around the car as you turn makes it very hard to know what you're doing.
Man I turn that shit off. Makes me dizzy. N is up.
I do the same thing in video games! I HATE when the minimap rotates all over the place - North is up, damnit!
It's funny how different people process information differently. My wife just got done telling me how she hates long screens full of text, but... when she's using the phone navigation app (in a holder on the dash) she "has to see the turn by turn text directions" - can't work with the map view. I'm the opposite, map view makes it simple for me, turn by turn is almost useless for me.
Stop depending on sat nav for directions and just use it for traffic updates. As you drive look for interesting things to remember (an old brick building, a new playground, a fuel station,etc). Commit those to memory.
Did these maps also show live traffic predictions?
Nah the time of day and the red brake lights did that. Part of driving was being stuck on the freeway standing outside your car chatting with strangers.
Of you're driving short to medium distances there's only so many feasible routes so you often just go the same way regardless. You usually also knew of it was rush hour or something to avoid certain roads at certain times of day.
For road closures, they usually post detours. Only difference is if there's an emergency closure for an immediate accident.
If you drive to the same place 5 times with satnav and don't learn the route, I'd say that's on you mate.
With satnav, you can multitask more, just blindly follow the directions and get there while you're having a debate with the wife over where to go for dinner tomorrow night and who's going to watch the kids while the plumber fixes the bathroom sink...
Without satnav, you actually had to pay attention to the landmarks, street signs, etc. to get to your destination with your A-Z, your brain was forced to be engaged with navigation or you'd never get there.
There's no reason you can't still keep your brain engaged with navigation whilst driving to a new / unfamiliar place, other than your choice to not do it. Your submission to social pressure to engage in other things. Your acceptance of ridiculously complex backroads routes that you'd never attempt with an A-Z.
Here Up Over in Yankland, I use the GPS phone map navigation apps for several reasons: they give traffic updates near realtime and can route me around backups that develop after I set out, while I can generally get close to a new place, the final turns can be tricky especially downtown with the one-ways so I'll let the damn thing prattle on through the 98% of the route that I could do in my sleep just to get that final endpoint guidance because it's too fiddly to engage it while already en-route - sometimes I'll turn the volume far down until we get close, but that defeats the traffic jam detection. Sometimes the app will alert for police activity ahead, rarely - but sometimes - it's an actual early warning for a speed trap. And, those "avoid highways" back country routes, the ones with 47 turns where you could get there using the interstate with 5 turns... yeah, those are fun - and I do usually have the route memorized after about 5 runs through the same route, but they're also highly subject to reroute to avoid traffic congestion so you might drive it 10 times and never use the same routing even 3 times.
Yeah, I feel bad for all these people who choose to let themselves atrophy, whether that's physically or mentally. GPS doesn't atrophy me, it frees me to do other things.
If AI is making you dumb, it has just exposed a flaw in your motivation and desire. People should work on fixing that flaw, both personally and systemically. We should not try to continue the world where we are motivated by desperation and fear.
You can beat someone to get them to do something that will benefit them. If you take away that beating they might stop, but that doesn't mean you should keep beating them.
Personal skill issue. Nothing to do with ai
100%. Around 2018 met a couple that had lived in a place for a year and didn't know directions because of "too many curved streets." Literally couldn't get more than a few blocks without Google.
I think this is a neurodiversity thing. Different people find different things challenging, and I've noticed within my circle of friends that navigational ability varies wildly. I would find it unlikely that I'd have trouble finding somewhere I went using satnav once, but I could also see someone else using it several times without it teaching them the route.
I imagine that in the same way some people will use AI and have it be a learning experience, while for others it will be a crutch.
It might be more of a problem for people who grow up with it though; less of them may find the need to develop the underlying skills.
Nav still requires you think critically to interpret the instructions in the context of the real world signs/roads/spatial setting. When you reach your destination you're either where you wanted to be or not. The fact checking is inherent to the result.
AI chats require an individual to be critical of their own volition. So most don't stress the brain when using it and plasticity never occurs, all the while they're absorbing near truths, guesses, and falsehoods.
How many phone numbers can you remember?
You used to be required to memorize a bare minimum number of phone numbers to survive. Now, you're lucky if people know their spouse's and their own.
Cognitive offloading results in an atrophy of the skill and retention. There is a similar phenomena with people who watch 1000 tutorial videos but never implement anything or do it themselves. This is not "deep learning", and its entertainment masquerading as productivity.
GPS is undeniably the same, and it's easily observable between generations. AI LLM search queries are already resulting in a disturbing amount of people accepting what is presented non-critically. These people are sadly atrophying whatever critical analysis skills they had to vet information and links.
I grew up with rotary phones, and I only knew about 2 numbers then. My notes about these numbers have just moved from a piece of paper pinned onto the wall.
At a demographic level, I am near certain you're right on the money. But you are not an interchangeable part, identical to all the others in your bin. Neither is anyone else.
There are people who can use these tools to enhance their abilities. That's how I use GPS navigation: to get me there the first time, and on trips to larger cities to avoid traffic. No amount of skill on my part is going to tell me that I need to turn onto a side street because there was an accident 10km further up the road.
So there's nuance here. We can possibly have our cake and eat it too.
I don't use satnav. I get a map route and use it as general guide of where to go. I use llms much but honestly mostly to evaluate their capabilities to see if they will start being useful to use. Of course I don't really use smartphones either. From what people are saying I kinda wonder if there are folks on llms all the time on their phone.
After several trips, I start remembering the route. I still use navigation for alternate routes because of unpredictable traffic, but if I drive a route using navigation enough times, I eventually memorize it.
Also, satnav is deterministic, it will get you to your destination accurately. AI is non-deterministic, it will guess the best way to your destination.
Can someone please explain what this is saying? What is an A-Z?
It’s a reference to British road maps. They were ubiquitous before satnav became commonplace - everyone with a car had at least one copy stuffed in their glovebox.
Do you not remember the exits and landmarks you pass by?
Kinda seems like a you problem.
Not to say generative AI isn't trash, just don't slander my GNSS units like that.
Because it's not a you problem, it must just be a me problem.
There are plenty of studies and self reports that show many people, not just OP, do a lot less thinking and observing when following directions. It's a thing. It has been for over a decade
After that many times you don't remember?
I use sat nav to places I know how to get to all the time because google/apple know what roads are closed or have an accident, and I don't.
I always check the route first because sat navs are stupid. So yeah, I remember the route after a while.
What is an A-Z? I gather you mean some sort of map, but I don't know the reference.
"London A-Z" is the long-running, pocket-sized London map book - assuming OP is British, and "A-Z" has become a generic term.
Seems likely. I just did some searching and found a Collins A-Z map series. I'd never heard of it over in yeehaw land.
Is Satnav an Aussie term? I only know it from Bluey.
And I use GPS (what we Americans call it, even though that's technically incorrect) for routes I'm well familiar with, mostly because of either traffic awareness or finding a new scenic route.
What it doesn't know is the driving habits of others.
I don't usually drive into work anymore, but my job is in Cambridge MA. For those not familiar with the area, there are two ways in from points south on the highways....tunnel, or pike.
My decision of which way to go comes down to how much traffic I expect at the exit.
If I go Pike, I have to deal with a shitty lane shift at the offramp that nobody executes properly and I always end up nearly getting fender-checked every time.
If I go tunnel, it's like...three consecutive exits that have to be taken. Like you get off the exit, then a sub-exit, then another sub-exit. Between exits one and two you have to get over a lane...except that lane is always backed up past where the first exit merges with it. So you have to be an asshole and speed past all of them and stop somewhere in the middle when you see a good enough gap...or you have to stop at the exit and get in the middle of the line. Either way you have to be a huge asshole to get where you need to go.
I use GPS to find different routes, or help me work around problems.
If anything it's helped me understand an area better.
I think there's quite a big difference between operating the car yourself based on GPS instructions and letting an LLM write your code, if that's what you mean. The equivalent would be asking the model only what to do, and then coding yourself based on its instructions.