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Palm oil is a butter substitute. Every baked product at the grocery store that used to be made with butter is now made with palm oil, because it is cheaper. Palm oil is made up of long highly-saturated fatty acids that cause it to be solid at room temperature, giving it physical properties very similar to butter, making it suitable as a substitute. However saturated fatty acids are bad for your health. Butter is also saturated fat and is also somewhat bad, but palm oil is much worse because the varieties of fatty acids it contains are much different from animal fat fatty acids and the human body metabolizes them differently, so they have a much higher impact. Similar physical properties but worse health properties!

It is nearly impossible to find frozen baked goods that are still made with butter. This pie claims to be made with healthy ingredients, and specifically touts its butter content, but it conveniently omits mentioning palm oil entirely. Since palm oil appears first on the ingredients list before butter, that means there is more of it. Possibly almost the entire "butter-like" fraction of the pie consists of palm oil.

This pie alone contains 400% daily value saturated fat, which is terrible for long-term health. I love apple pies and I was planning to eat this pie as my sole food over the course of 2 days for my One-Meal-A-Day (OMAD), but I'm not willing to risk eating palm oil. Thanks for nothing for getting my hopes up, pie box!

  • traditional wholesome German ingredients like palm oil
  • palm oil - just the way grandma used to make at home
  • contains memories of butter

I'm sure someone below will mention how palm oil is also bad for the environment and bad for the farmers and bad for the economy. I will only be answering questions about the film Rampart.

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[–] ilinamorato@lemmy.world 10 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago) (1 children)

I was with you at the beginning, but—

This pie alone contains 400% daily value saturated fat, which is terrible for long-term health.

A single serving only contains 40%. Not great, but not as terrible as you're making it out to be. (And unlike a lot of packaged food, the size of a serving here is pretty reasonable.) Very few foods are good for long-term health when eaten alone, and singling out this particular one because it doesn't fit with your specific use case weakens your argument.

They are lying about the ingredients. That's true, and it should be noted because false advertising is terrible for consumers. Not because it's bad for a one-meal-a-day fad diet, but because it's bad in general for anyone who buys a product based on what is on the label.

[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 0 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

You probably shouldn't be eating an entire pie every day. That isn't going to be good for you, even if it was made with the very best ingredients available.

[–] Paper_Phrog@lemmy.world 1 points 4 hours ago

Agreed. Best to diversify pie intake. Apple, chocolate, blueberry etc.

[–] jet@hackertalks.com 7 points 17 hours ago

However saturated fatty acids are bad for your health.

Saturated Fats have been much maligned by Ancel Key's lipid heart hypothesis, but it doesn't stand up to modern scrutiny - https://doi.org/10.1016/j.jacc.2020.05.077

Saturated fats are not bad for your health.

[–] Crozekiel@lemmy.zip 20 points 22 hours ago

Worried about health. Planned to eat nothing but pie for 2 days.

Wat?

[–] Themosthighstrange@lemmy.world 1 points 12 hours ago

These pies cost 15+ at Aldi's but they are really good

[–] CanIFishHere@lemmy.ca 22 points 1 day ago

Who eats pie thinking it's healthy?

[–] greedytacothief@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I'm pretty skeptical that palm oil is more unhealthy than butter. The farming practices surrounding it's production are not wholesome sure. But it tastes good and cost less than butter.

[–] FatVegan@leminal.space 0 points 9 hours ago (2 children)

It's good and cheap, therefore it's okay to deforest tropical regions.

[–] Tudsamfa@lemmy.world 2 points 8 hours ago

Yes, that's bad enough. OP did not need to lie about/spread misinformation on it being bad for your health as well.

I specifically did not say that deforesting the rainforest was good. Don't put those words on my mouth.

[–] AwesomeLowlander@sh.itjust.works 19 points 1 day ago (14 children)

For all those decrying the ethics of palm oil - you are aware of the yields per hectare of the various plant oils, right?

  • Soybean: 0.47 ton oil/ha/year
  • Sunflower: 0.78 ton oil/ha/year
  • Rapeseed: 0.74 ton oil/ha/year
  • Palm Oil: 3.36 tons oil/ha/year

Would anybody like to suggest how to switch away from palm oils without deforesting what remains of the Amazon?

[–] Buckshot@programming.dev 11 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The difference is the others don't require a tropical environment to grow. So you can grow them without any deforestation.

[–] AwesomeLowlander@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 day ago (5 children)

Globally, palm oil occupies approximately 19 million hectares (about 47 million acres) of land.

Despite supplying over one-third of the world's vegetable oil, this footprint is remarkably small—using less than 10% of the total land allocated to all oil-producing crops worldwide.

Where are you suggesting to find another 500 million acres of land, a tad more than the size of Alaska, without environmental impact?

[–] Einskjaldi@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago (6 children)

The obvious answer is some of the Land used to grow soybeans and corn for animal feed.

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[–] starlinguk@lemmy.world 55 points 1 day ago (24 children)

The bad thing about palm oil isn't how unhealthy it is (because what it is replacing isn't healthy either); the bad thing is that palm farmers have destroyed many thousands of square miles of rain forest. When you fly from Singapore to Jakarta, virtually all rain forest you used to fly over is now palm. It's an unmitigated environmental disaster.

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[–] BeUnique@lemmy.zip 6 points 1 day ago* (last edited 17 hours ago)

What are you talking about? This is just like grandma used to make it! With a heaping glob of palm oil scooped out by her palm, measured by eye yet always coming out the same constant taste.

Too bad after the 18th heart attack, poor Mee Maw is in heaven now but she sure did love her palm oil.

[–] Tattorack@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago (3 children)

It still says "butter" in the ingredients so they're not lying.

Remember that laws are pedantic, and if there isn't some strict regulation on how much % of something must have butter in order to legally be described as "made with butter", then adding a teaspoon of butter to the entire product and substituting the rest with palm oil is still technically "made with butter".

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[–] atopi@piefed.blahaj.zone 1 points 19 hours ago

nothing says handmade and premium more than an ai generated description

[–] danciestlobster@lemmy.zip 24 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (4 children)

Palm oil is also bad for farmers, the environment, and the economy

Also this company is owned by the dickhead maga mayor in my state that we struggle against constantly. So, fascist pies.

Sorry, genuinely. This is a shitty thing to learn post purchase

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[–] nerdspice@lemmy.zip 21 points 1 day ago (3 children)
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