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Israel, what are we talking about

If you’re counting them as a part of the US, in order Germany, UK, Australia.

Great Britain. Literally the OG Amerikkka and Howard Zinn is dunking on them in the first half of People’s History of The United States.

Saudi Arabia gets a dishonorable mention however, as they’re also a mini-burgerland just like cringereal but it doesn’t get as highlighted. Literally 4chan’s paradise.

Israel, UK, UAE and France in terms of actually causing visible and tangible harm on purpose at a vast scale both currently and historically beyond basic imperialist or raison d'état imperative. There is also the fact that almost all states of relevant economic and military weight that has a say in politics of neighboring countries will generally cause harm, basically any middling power goes here like Turkey, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, India and others especially with current nature of global politics. There is also Germany which is dedicated to cause of genocide so much for the love of the game they are behind Israel no matter what, trying to launder their own politics by focus lensing on Israel.

UK is number one worst by measure of historical crimes

To present a different option, Singapore. Very smug and think theyre intrinsically better than their neighbors. When rly it just comes down to geography and english proficiency. I just hate that they're always trotted out as this capitalistic success story when their "success" came about under a set of very specific circumstances

Israel

It's a tough question, really. Like, "love the people, hate the government" is just a reskin of "love the sinner, hate the sin" that liberals employ to smugly and thinly veil their Sinophobia etc, but there is still some truth to it, right? The "Samsung Republic", for instance, is a reactionary hellhole because the peninsula is abounding in revolutionary potential that the bourgeois powers-that-be must continually suppress. Everywhere on Earth, there are people fighting for a better future, and every society where the people in general have fully internalized their own oppression and exploitation and reproduce it dutifully, is a society where the people in general can at any point become dignified.

For some countries, becoming dignified would mean entirely shedding the colonial identities built to obscure the true nature of bourgeois dictatorship, and obscure the construction of segregated spaces and oppressed masses of marginalized "living dead"; many people say that countries in this category are not "real countries". Seppoland/USA, Canada, Australia, the Zionist entity etc.

For other countries, becoming dignified would mean understanding that the only reason they've been artificially kept separate from a larger neighbor has been to serve as a tax haven or as a strategic military outpost near a maritime chokepoint or socialist power, and again shedding their artificial identities and merging with their larger neighbor; many people say that countries in this category are also not "real countries". Monaco, Liechtenstein, Singapore, Taiwan, the Samsung Republic etc.

But excluding these two groups, what "real countries" remain, and do any of them really deserve to be called the worst?

You can look at every country on Earth through at least two perspectives like this. Germany, for instance, is a country full of racist Hitlerites extracting wealth from the Global South and Eastern Europe. It's also a country full of people that the racist Hitlerites are racist Hitlerites towards. It's also the birthplace of Karl Marx, and half of Germany was once the German Democratic Republic, a country which is now an effective colony of West Germany — "robbed blind" by the metropole in a manner easily obscured by the lines on a world map and the flags on Germany's flagpoles. The racist and extractive part of Germany is definitely up there among the "worst countries"; the communists, the marginalized people, the people who remember the good old days of the GDR, I wouldn't say that they're among the "worst countries".

"German" is at the end of the day not much less of an arbitrary identity as, say, Togolese, anyways. The "German" nation had to be constructed through the imposition of a centralized identity, language, culture, symbols, and infrastructure on disparate regional groups of people.

I don't know where I'm going with this, really. I guess I recognize that this thread is just for fun, but I still want us to remain aware of how countries are just social constructs or something.

People keep mentioning Saudi Arabia, but in my opinion, the UAE is worse than Saudi Arabia.

It's a tie for me between England, France, Canada, Australia.

Israel, UK, France, Canada, Germany, Saudi Arabia, Australia, Argentina

Israel obviously.

Hell I'd argue domestically Israel is actually worse.

Now outside of Israel, eh, maybe Australia? They are basically the 51st state.

Not counting the obvious answer of Israel, I'm going to say either Saudi Arabia or Great Britain. Think I'll take a stand and pick one, so I'm going to vote for Saudi Arabia.

Outside the US? Isn'trael

People have already taken my vote of pissrael. Japan sucks too.

I think there's not enough hate here for the former AES states turned US satellites in Europe. They are as fucked as Britain, they just don't have the same capacity to act on their evil impulses.

Also a special mention to the Nordics, the Eichmann states of the US empire, for their unbearable smugness.

UK? And also, France probably