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[–] RustyNova@lemmy.world 224 points 1 month ago (10 children)

Yes, but waiter are underpaid and should have a salary too.

... Apparently. This is too american for me to understand

[–] bss03@infosec.pub 79 points 1 month ago (4 children)

As wish many things American, it goes back to slavery. Tipped workers were a way for employers to avoid paying (mostly black) workers, effectively providing slavery-lite even after slavery had ended (Happy Juneteenth).

In any case, current U.S. labor law has specific carve-outs for certain tipped jobs that allow the minimal wage to be not the already unlivable $7.25/hr but the unsustainable $2.15/hr. Technically, employers are required to bring a tipped workers pay up to $7.25/hr if they do not report enough tips, but in practice employers encourage reporting incorrect tips and find reasons (if needed) to dismiss employees that do not report enough tips.

Fisherman, Sailor, Teamster, and Chef are not tipped positions. Waitstaff is a tipped position.

[–] bampop@lemmy.world 34 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Tipped workers were a way for employers to avoid paying (mostly black) workers, effectively providing slavery-lite even after slavery had ended

It's not just about being cheap though. It reinforces the idea that the worker is of a lower social status than the customer. The customer may, at their own discretion, choose whether or not to pay the worker a fair wage for the work they have done. That's a very clear power imbalance.

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[–] LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 10 points 1 month ago (1 children)

True but some states don't have this distinction and it means servers actually make pretty decent money.

[–] bss03@infosec.pub 18 points 1 month ago (6 children)

Yes and "tipping" has gone insane. Not just amounts (tho even when I was a child, my parents consider 10% the bare minimum) but also you get prompted to leave a tip for transactions that don't involve a tipped position.

My experience is from one of the shittier states for workers (Arkansas), right-to-work effectively eliminates all union activity, the state would remove the minimum wage if it could, and there's even people that want to make it easier for 14-18 year olds to work.

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[–] HikingVet@lemmy.ca 56 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Waiter is the only one who gets their wage subsidized by their bosses customers.

[–] ExcessShiv@lemmy.dbzer0.com 18 points 1 month ago (28 children)

Everyone gets their wage subsidized by the customers of the business (both B2B and B2C) they work for.

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[–] Resonosity@lemmy.dbzer0.com 110 points 1 month ago (4 children)

Everyone in this panel is underpaid. No change happens blaming one worker against the other. We're all under the boot

[–] rodneylives@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Yes, but in the US servers get paid much less than minimum wage with the presumption that tips will make up the difference.

Businesses are supposed to make up any difference between what servers fail to earn as tips up to minimum wage, but:

  • It gives businesses an opportunity to fail to do this,
  • It means that minimum wage is what some servers effectively get, and
  • It effectively means the amount of tips servers get per hour is lessened by the difference between their hourly pay and the minimum wage rate; it's a way for businesses to reach into server tips and get some of it for themselves.
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[–] nanometer1625@thelemmy.club 68 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (3 children)

I dislike this cartoon because of the way that the server is pointing angrily at the tip box. In reality, the servers are also victims of tipping culture. They deserve consistent and fair wages.

[–] krisevol@lemmus.org 17 points 1 month ago (22 children)

That will only happen when we stop tipping

[–] Glytch@lemmy.world 20 points 1 month ago (5 children)

No. It will happen when you stop going to restaurants that underpay their workers. Patronizing those establishments and not tipping is just punishing the worker while rewarding the business. Business owners will not change unless you hit them in the wallet.

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[–] guitarfosec@infosec.pub 17 points 1 month ago (2 children)

It also depicts servers as doing some decadent super easy job when those people work their asses off. I dislike tipping culture, but I factor it into the cost of a night out and make sure someone gets paid fairly from my side if they’re doing a great job and making sure I have everything I need while I sit and enjoy my meal and conversation.

The whole system needs an overhaul, but until that happens, I’m on the side of the working people that make my night out easy and pleasant.

I used to be a line cook. I’ll take staying in the kitchen being grumpy over having to serve and fake smile at asshole customers all day

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[–] MrJameGumb@lemmy.world 56 points 1 month ago (14 children)

It's because everyone except the wait staff gets paid a living wage. The waiter probably gets paid $2.75/hour because the shady restaurant owner wants YOU to pay the rest of their employees wage for them.

The problem is not overly entitled wait staff, it's tipping culture in general. Any other job would pay at least normal minimum hourly wages.

[–] Rhaedas@fedia.io 37 points 1 month ago

Correct, except for saying everyone else is getting a living wage. I bet most of them are not. Still higher than the server.

[–] HikingVet@lemmy.ca 20 points 1 month ago

Every step of that chain is nickel and dimed. Only the public facing employees get to ask for tips.

[–] velma@sh.itjust.works 14 points 1 month ago (8 children)

You ask wait staff if they prefer a stable wage or receiving tips. The overwhelming majority of them will want to keep tips.

It would be better if we eliminated tips overall and paid fair wages. But the people who directly benefit will still fight you on it.

[–] EggInDisguise@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 points 1 month ago (9 children)

Having worked in food service, and having many friends who do, I don't know a single person who would rather keep tips. The majority have openly talked shit about tipping. Everyone I know hates tipping except the management that benefits from it.

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[–] bss03@infosec.pub 10 points 1 month ago

While the waitstaff has particular challenges in U.S. labor law (lower effective federal minimum wage), it is not safe to assume any of the other workers in the chain are still paid a living wage either.

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[–] A_Union_of_Kobolds@lemmy.world 36 points 1 month ago (2 children)

See this way capitalists get to underpay workers

[–] frisbird@lemmy.ml 19 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Nah, all of them are underpaid. Tipping waitstaff is a mechanism to tie their ability to feed their families directly to sycophantic ass kissing behavior. It's essentially a way for the rich to know they can get dancing monkey entertainment anywhere they go.

[–] A_Union_of_Kobolds@lemmy.world 10 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I mean it literally started so owners wouldn't have to pay POC waiters, the rest was just added bonus

But yes everyone on a wage is underpaid

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[–] craftrabbit@lemmy.zip 28 points 1 month ago (7 children)

Yeah but the waiters don't have a living wage in the us without tips while the fishermen get paid –

Sorry I just got word that the fishermen are actually just permanently trapped on the ships and do forced labour out somewhere in the Pacific

[–] IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world 19 points 1 month ago (2 children)

there is slavery in the food industry.

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[–] lordziv@lemmy.nz 28 points 1 month ago

Every time Americans call them servers I think of a computer lol

[–] Tattorack@lemmy.world 17 points 1 month ago (1 children)

A "yes, but" like this, but instead all the countries where servers get a (relatively) decent wage vs America where tipping is mandatory.

[–] NotEasyBeingGreen@slrpnk.net 8 points 1 month ago (4 children)

American tipping culture is so arbitrary though. You tip your taxi driver but not your bus driver. You tip at a coffee shop but not at a fast food shop. Your hairdresser gets a tip but not the people looking after your children.

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[–] TribblesBestFriend@startrek.website 14 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Everyone in this are a worker, the guy we don’t see in this comic (edge fund, financiers and owner) are the real problem and this comic artist seems hell bent to hide this

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[–] infinitesunrise@slrpnk.net 13 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (21 children)

Everyone else in that supply chain gets a living wage, except maybe the chef who shares tips with the waiter. It fucking pisses me off when people bitch about the fact that they're asked to tip an underpaid employee instead of getting angry about the fact that the employee doesn't make as much money as anyone else in the first place.

Where the fuck is the restaurant owner who isn't paying their worker a fair wage? Where the fuck are the politicians who put a loophole in labor law the allow this situation to happen?

The waiter is even being villainized in the last frame, jesus h christ. Fuck this comic and fuck you OP for posting it uncritically. I fucking hate this anti-worker propaganda so fucking much.

[–] Soggy@lemmy.world 13 points 1 month ago (18 children)

Nobody gets a fair wage but at least food service workers in my area get paid the same as everyone else (Seattle $21/h minimum). Tipping is rooted in racist class division and we really should be pushing to end wage exemptions rather than perpetuate a ridiculous sales-commission structure.

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[–] zr0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Yes, but the author of this comic turns out to be a real moron. Third comic in the row that is just stupid.

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[–] MML@sh.itjust.works 11 points 1 month ago (1 children)

IDK how common it is but in the sushi restaurant I worked at the server and the chef split the tip but you also had more than one chef, not that it changes the point of the comic much.

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[–] SpookyBogMonster@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 month ago

Lemmy discovers Commodity Fetishism

[–] ThatGuy46475@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago (4 children)

Waitstaff fought against raising their minimum wage because they make more with tips

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[–] idiomaddict@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago (2 children)

It’s one of the few jobs in which an untrained and not especially strong person can make good money right off the bat without exposing themselves to extremely dangerous conditions.

I worked with a bunch of 40-70 year old women without many qualifications to put on a resume who earned decent money (they were often homeowners who paid for their kids to go to college). I don’t know of many industries where that is the case.

It’s very easy for an employer to exploit tipped workers in places with a difference, but I don’t know if getting rid of the tipping culture would make anything better. Restaurants constantly take advantage of their employees, whether they’re tipped or not, and if menu prices go up, that increase in revenue is not going to just be distributed among the employees. My guess based on how restaurant owners treat their employees is that prices would be raised by 15-20%, servers would be bumped up to minimum wage or just above it, and the rest would be pocketed by the owners.

In that scenario, customers are paying just as much as before, but now it’s mandatory, while servers are poorer (as are kitchen, dish, and bar employees who used to get tipped out [in some restaurants, each server gives 5-20% of their earned tips to various other sectors of the restaurant*]), and restaurant owners are richer. I don’t see how that’s a better situation than the one we have today. It’s definitely less hassle for consumers and it’s fairer in the sense that now nobody makes good money (except of course the owners), but I don’t think it’s an improvement that would stand alone.

If we were to improve the whole system for workers in general, I’d want to get rid of tipping, but not until then.

  • I worked somewhere where the servers each tipped 20% to dish and kitchen (total, so if there were eight people in the kitchen, they each got 2.5% from each of the servers), and the employers used that as justification for paying everyone in the back as a tipped employee. The kitchen begged the front of house not to strike, because they were working quasi under the table and didn’t want to lose even a really shitty job. Just a fun anecdote about restaurant exploitation.
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[–] gankouskhan@piefed.zip 8 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Servers are just sales people. Their pay is commonly not from wages when in corporate world built up by commissions. Tips are effectively commissions but rather than an agreed upon amount from the employer it's with the buyer. I hate both equally.

[–] BradleyUffner@lemmy.world 10 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (6 children)

Sales commissions are still paid directly from the business' account. Why do restaurants not have to pay their "sales people" directly?

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