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[–] Assassassin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 271 points 3 weeks ago (95 children)

restaurants are fighting back

Unless it's by raising their prices by 15-20% and paying their employees a living wage, it ain't gonna work. Tipping is moronic.

[–] NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 75 points 3 weeks ago (8 children)

That’s essentially what they’re doing, but with a surcharge rather than just raising their menu because we love adding on tax and fees here in the US

[–] frostedtrailblazer@lemmy.zip 29 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

It’s a bad deal that only policy could really fix at this point.

If you’re the only store with real menu prices then customers just get price shocked at what they’re actually going to be paying when they can go next door to another restaurant that doesn’t tell you the full price up front. Customers would be upset at a mid $18 burger, but are fine with a mid $16 burger + $2 tip.

Imo, the problems stem from the forced rat race of no one having enough money excluding the rich. Prices being high wouldn’t matter if people got paid more, but cause we’re not getting paid more, the companies that target the general population just make everything into cheap knockoff crap to still turn the same or better profit margins.

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[–] fisch@lemmy.world 132 points 3 weeks ago (29 children)

It's not my fucking job to make sure your workers are paid appropriately. I came here for a fucking steak and some freedom fries. I paid for my fucking food and I just want to eat it in peace. Stop turning your problems into my problems.

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[–] stumu415@lemmy.zip 123 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

I wish this exposed tipping culture for what it is, but America is so deep in capitalism that you'll hear more complaints against this.

[–] Lydon_Feen@lemmy.world 69 points 3 weeks ago (54 children)

It's so fucking stupid

Just raise the prices by 20% and also pay the staff 20% more.

But fuck workers' rights and living wages, right?

[–] rafoix@lemmy.zip 49 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

They wouldn’t need to raise prices that much.

During the Obamacare debate the Papa John’s CEO was upset that he would have to raise pizza prices a few cents to pay for the health insurance his workers need. Wealthy people are psychopaths.

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[–] PseudoSpock@lemmy.dbzer0.com 117 points 3 weeks ago (139 children)

What did you expect? They come from non tipping cultures. Where wait staff make livable wages. Not their fault we are incapable of paying people enough to live.

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[–] Schmuppes@lemmy.today 102 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

The cash registers are ringing, the beer is flowing and the tables are full.

So there is money to pay staff, right?

[–] OS2Warp@lemmy.zip 25 points 3 weeks ago
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[–] darkmogool@feddit.org 88 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Fuck american tipping culture… Pay your staff fair…

[–] ohulancutash@feddit.uk 82 points 3 weeks ago

Should we pay an actual wage?

NO! ITS EVERYONE ELSE WHO ARE WRONG!

[–] Jason@feddit.uk 71 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Oh what ever shall we do? The cash registers are bursting with cash due to the influx of visitors... but they're not tipping the servers.

I see absolutely no way that employers could make the situation fairer for servers, even if it were only for the duration of the event.

Gosh, if only there were some way!

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[–] Taleya@aussie.zone 71 points 3 weeks ago

#PAY YOUR FUCKING STAFF

[–] robomuffin79@lemmy.world 69 points 3 weeks ago (14 children)

America once again showing the world what a dystopian shit show it is. People are travelling to what they think is a developed country and so rightly assume all workers are paid a decent wage. Certainly European visitors would assume that. Highlights once again the need for a minimum wage and union support for workers.

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[–] Atomic@sh.itjust.works 68 points 3 weeks ago

Fighting back against what? Pay your employees.

[–] kurmudgeon@lemmy.world 66 points 3 weeks ago (6 children)

How is adding a required 20% gratuity to a bill at a restaurant not false advertising? The restaurant advertises the food costs X dollars, then you get your bill and it's now 20% higher?

[–] ADTJ@feddit.uk 22 points 3 weeks ago

Exactly, it's not only deceptive but also ignoring the fact that many visitors are likely not earning on par with people in New York and are making decisions about where to eat based on the advertised prices.

All these bars and restaurants talking about how busy they've been and have massively increased business during the world cup. They're aware of the tipping problem yet still somehow can't find the cash to cover the difference so that their staff get a normal wage.

They could share some of their revenue windfall with the wait staff. But instead they complain to news outlets and add an automatic 20% markup without prior notice to extract even more money from the visitors.

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[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 59 points 3 weeks ago (7 children)

Protecting the waiters and barkeepers from what? If they just had normal minimum wage rules, and service was included in the price, they would not need "protection" from a self-inflicted problem.

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[–] Jimbel@lemmy.world 54 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Pay wages wtf. Usa sucks so hard

[–] DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world 51 points 3 weeks ago (27 children)

No one should tip anyone. Tipping supports wage theft. If no one tipped, business models that depend on tipping would find no one to hire, so they'd be forced out of business, or need to start paying something closer to a living wage. Yes, this would happen on the backs of those currently working such jobs, but if nothing ever changes, then nothing ever changes.

[–] elucubra@sopuli.xyz 22 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

I owned a small resto/bar in Spain. My employee's minimum wage was dictated by a sectorial collective bargaining agreement. I had to pay them at least that amount, altough I could pay more for especially good/experienced workers. The base salary was almost 3 times minimum wage. On top of that I paid almost 50% of their salary to the social security system, which covers retirement and health system contributions ( the country has full universal care). Tips are customary, but in the 5 to 10% range, but never required. No server would dream of making an issue for not getting a tip. tips are a thank you, not an obligation.

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[–] 16mhz@lemmy.ml 50 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Supporters say the move is intended to protect American servers

Protecting the servers from the customers!!This is a joke, right? If you really wanted to protect American servers you pay them respectable wages.

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[–] redwattlebird@thelemmy.club 48 points 3 weeks ago (10 children)

I visited the US 3 years ago and tipping was a bloody pain in the bum. It added probably 20min to our meal as the waiters took a while to get change. Further, asking every 15 minutes how our meal was going was quite exhausting; mainly because we knew it was performative for more tips. We tipped 20% each time but it's really, really frustrating not knowing the price up front.

Back home, I'm used to paying up front and then leaving as soon as we're done. Waiters leave you alone, unless you're a regular, and ask you how the meal was at the till if you pay after.

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[–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 47 points 3 weeks ago (41 children)

Just auto include a 20% tip in every purchase, include that in the price, and don't leave an option for tips. Done. Problem solved.

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[–] Candice_the_elephant@lemmy.world 46 points 3 weeks ago

It's not "culture" it's unfettered capitalism. Make your staff beg your customers for their wage instead of paying it yourself, great for bosses.

[–] Gates9@sh.itjust.works 46 points 3 weeks ago (7 children)

Welcome to America, where we subsidize poverty level wages by adding 20-30% to your bill!

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[–] redlemace@lemmy.world 44 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (17 children)

Tipping does not lead to better service. Arguably worse, They want you out asap to get the next tipper in the seat.

Also, can't see why someone should pay a waiter more for bringing 5 steaks an 5 champagnes instead of 5 burgers and 5 soda's. Kind of the same job and effort.

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[–] mlg@lemmy.world 38 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

Didn't know this was a hot take but America hasn't provided tip worthy service for decades.

I would even wager that Gen Z and A would be blown away to see the level of service quality something like the boomer generation experienced.

[–] Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz 36 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

A tip in America hasn't been a "bonus for good service" in decades; its the server's wage.

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[–] SunshineJogger@feddit.org 32 points 3 weeks ago (15 children)

Yea, because tipping is intended to be optional.

The mere fact of trying to pressure or force the tipping will make sure I regard the service as not tip worthy.

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[–] fritobugger2017@lemmy.world 30 points 3 weeks ago

Fck the NY Post! It is a tRumpian rag not worthy of fishwrap.

[–] projektilski@lemmy.dbzer0.com 30 points 3 weeks ago

They should try to change this terrible custom

[–] Thrife@feddit.org 29 points 3 weeks ago (5 children)

Greetings from Europe, we're not baffled. We just don't play your game. Start paying your workers properly.

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[–] betanumerus@lemmy.ca 28 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (4 children)

"European restaurants pay staff like any other profession and workers don’t rely on tips, so customers assume they’ve already paid for service".

Europeans are right on this one. The more years go by, the more I find tipping to be ridiculous. Tell me upfront what you expect, then I'll choose where to eat. Managers must adapt to customers, not us do their paying practice.

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[–] MoonRaven@feddit.nl 28 points 3 weeks ago

Imagine the price being.. You know.. The price...

[–] AI_toothbrush@lemmy.zip 28 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Oh right cause they come from civilized countries where people actually get payed. I get both sides but the system is the enemy, not the people.

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[–] W3dd1e@lemmy.zip 27 points 3 weeks ago

The cash registers are ringing, the beer is flowing and the tables are full.

I live in KC. The restaurants are not full. I’ve seen article after article about how lodging reservations were low before the tournament and now that it’s started, no one is filling restaurants.

https://www.kansascity.com/news/local/article316182333.html

[–] TheVoiceOfRaison@thelemmy.club 26 points 3 weeks ago

Maybe if the US paid a decent minimum wage...

[–] melsaskca@lemmy.ca 26 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I think that most folk from outside america have a better wage structure than the old usa and tipping culture isn't a thing with them. I could be wrong though...greed and "business" transcend borders.

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[–] Tarambor@lemmy.world 26 points 3 weeks ago (7 children)

We come from nations where staff get paid at least the minimum wage and don't rely on tips to make it up to that.

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[–] cockmushroom@reddthat.com 22 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I'll never understand why the "pull yourself up by your bootstraps" people see it as everybody else's responsibility to cushion the inumerable blows from their abusive relationships with their employers.

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