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iq isnt a valid measure of anything
That's the point. Their top engineer gets a second lunch paid because of this stupid shit
One could say he scored so high, it overflowed and wrapped around.
It's only a rough estimate. For some selectors.
IQ tests, as I recall, are generally pretty decent at their originally intended purpose of predicting performance in the mainstream school system (at least up through high school, not sure about college), because the skills and knowledge it measures strongly overlaps with the skills and knowledge that match well with the current schooling system.
People have subsequently attempted to take this extremely limited and borderline circular usage (Do well on your IQ test? Do well in school. Do well in school? Do well on your IQ test) to be broadly meaningful, which is deeply flawed in a number of ways. And now, of course, there's attempts to update IQ to reflect a broader set of skills, which is sort of a step in the right direction but still fundamentally flawed in its attempt to reduce an incredibly broad set of different skills and areas of knowledge into a single number that you can rank on a scoreboard against others' like that's remotely meaningful.
And of course, by skills, I mean not just the things it's supposed to measure like math proficiency, vocabulary, etc., but also skills implicit to the nature of the test like focus, auditory and visual processing, ability to actually provide a definition for words vs. knowing how to use them but not knowing how to rattle off dictionary-style definitions, etc., all of which are also skills that are advantageous in our education system as it is currently structured but which aren't really a measure of other areas of intelligence.
Sadly, we as a society, at least in the Anglosphere that I'm familiar with, have a bad habit of prioritizing measurements that give us easy numbers to work with but don't really reflect reality that well over more complicated methods of assessment that might be more difficult to work with but actually work better.
nothing meaningful should be done to you, good or bad, just because of your iq
IQ is just a measure of how fast a person can understand, abstract, and apply new information. It does nothing to examine how well someone understands a given subject, whether their conclusions are logical or accurate, or bothers to account for cultural and personal biases.
An IQ test is never a stand alone diagnostic tool in a comprehensive evaluation of a person's knowledge or ability. Its one of many metrics used to inform competent professionals of the capabilities of an individual in a controlled, non standard setting.
a measure of how fast a person can understand, abstract, and apply new information.
And that's a best case scenario for it. It can also be just a measure of how well can you solve very specific type of puzzles at this very moment. And the evidence of it being the latter are actually quite convincing.
They also have extreme cultural bias and other issues.
Even beyond that, it is a very crude instrument originally intended to diagnose major impairments.
Bragging about your "High IQ" should go over about as well as when Trump brags about acing his cognitive tests. Or mastering a series of sobriety tests.
Does anyone work in a place where this is a real thing? I don't know if I've ever heard of an employer making you take a random IQ test.
Hehehe never apply to Canonical. I sat 6 interviews, 2 psychometric evals including an IQ-adjacent evaluation, submitted a take home assessment and was asked about my high school math grades just to be offered a job with a more advanced title paying 20k less than what I was currently making. I only sat it through because I wanted to post the offer on glassdoor/levels so others didn't have to waste their time either. (And because I wanted to see if I could pass their famously grueling application process)
So yes I've seen companies (big ones) do this sort of thing.
Yes, I went through this too, dumbest interview process ever but it had the positive result to make me look into how dumb a company canonical is and start using debian rather than Ubuntu. I call it a hard fought win
Whaaat...no matter the sale, I'd just go and leave with those abysmal requests. And I complained back in the day that an application had to include so much personal data already 😁
I've seen this shit for interviews but never as like a career update thing.
My wife's workplace tried to have them do dream journaling and then had them come back and report back to the group on what they dreamed about. This is a fortune 500 company that you've absolutely heard of before.
Yeah, at best, that would result in a whole lot of "I didn't dream last night" from me.
You could never do this with an IT team .... every single engineer would answer something like:
"I dreamt of leaving this god forsaken job and moving to a farm in a very rural town with 500 inhabitants then never having to touch a computer again"
See, for me it's not as much the computers that's the issue. It's the people. Oh God the people. Makes me want to go deep into the middle of nowhere where there's not even light pollution
It's the smell, if there is such a thing. I feel saturated by it. I can taste your stink and every time I do, I fear that I've somehow been infected by it.
Or I have this recurring dream about the head of HR performing oral sex on me.
That would end that really quick.
I worked for a huge huge company you've totally heard of. We had a large event where we were all given bells and mallets and told to ring them as a team to make beautiful music. My coworker beat his bell flat.
"I find beauty in silence." "Poetic but that's not really..." "Would you like to be beautiful?"
The U.S. basically made them illegal in workplaces in the 70's, when it was shown that employers were using so-called intelligence tests unrelated to job functions to discriminate on the basis of race. Plus, in the 90's they passed a law banning discrimination on the basis of disability. Now workplace testing needs to be shown to be directly related to job responsibilities, so general purpose tests are pretty much too much of a compliance nightmare to be worth the effort.
Maybe they're still common in some other countries, but they're really rare in the U.S.
American (CA) engineer here, I had to take one of these for a job I ended up getting in 2012. It was for a big company too! They might argue that cognitive ability is directly related to engineering.
I actually do have a cognitive disability, ADHD. But I'm like a one-legged stripper... It might seem counterintuitive, but just watch me dance for a minute and then it will make sense.
I took a “personality” test in 2007 for my first job (union btw). Some pretty obvious basic questions that I imagine only a selfish sociopath would fail but maybe that helped filter at the time.
My field has a physical coordination and spatial reasoning test you have to pass before you're accepted into grad school, and a lot of employers in the field will retest you before hiring.
Apparently there was an issue with a certain portion of people being able to pass the book learning aspect of the field but then getting injured or being afraid of the machinery we work with.
I can see the safety aspect. My wife has no spatial awareness. Almost every night or morning she is (while fully awake) turning over or stretching and smashing everything off of her night table.
Or if we are cuddled watching a show and she goes to scratch her nose she doesn't take into account where her arm my be in the embrace, or has even smashed me in the bottom jaw and clacked my teeth together trying to find her nose.
I would not want her anywhere near moving or fixed machinery, for her own safety and the company's "n days since accident" sign
Yeah. Unfortunately with the equipment we use everyday most everyone will rack up a somewhat serious injury over the span of their career.
I've had my hand broken in the lab by someone being negligent with pressurized gas. A coworker had his finger broken this last year when operating some machinery with gloves on when he shouldn't have.
In school I saw a girl get her shirt ripped off, the same type of machine is famous for yanking out chunks of long hair. The worst injury we've had at our facility happened to a resident who hit the back of her head on a riveting bar when she went to stand after picking something up off the ground. That was the saddest because she got a pretty life altering tbi that ended her career before it ever started.
I am legitimately struggling to figure out what grad school field has a spatial reasoning test. Civil engineering? Physical therapy?
Close with the physical therapist guess, at least a similar field. I'm a certified orthotist and prosthetist, we build and fit people with custom bracing and artificial limbs. We have to do a lot of 3 dimensional modeling to create plaster molds of people's bodies, and we have to use a lot of heavy machinery to build the orthotics and prosthetics, so you have to have a pretty good eye, decent hands, and know a decent amount of medicine.
Hey, Organizational Psychologist here, we are the people who make tests like this. I'll try and provide a brief explanation. Let me first preface that the one in the meme is not a legit one and we dont use IQ as a metric in any cognitive ability testing. We do use cognitive ability testing and these tests are actually somewhat good for selection but they aren't the end all be all. If you would like this is deeply discussed in this review by Sackett et al (2022): https://psycnet.apa.org/record/2022-17327-001
If you want to see a legitimate cognitive ability test, the one I'm most familiar with on the commercial market is by wonderlic: https://wonderlic.com/
Cognitive ability tests unfortunately have a number of issues and as you see from the comments a lot of confusion surrounding them (also the canonical post is hilarious as they are way overboard with their testing imo):
- you can practice for these tests, which is an ongoing problem for all standardized testing
- they are very associated with developmental tests for IQ which they only vaguely resemble
- they have more adverse impact than other measures, meaning they can be fraught with allegations of discrimination
An important thing for you or anyone else to consider is that these tests aren't meant to be used in isolation and overall they only explain a fraction of your potential job performance. Selection is hard, its one of the most studied parts of my field but it's basically an armsrace that has no end. If anyone would like to know more on the science, feel free to reach out.
I dislike organizational psychologists. The whole field. Every time a problematic hr department does something problematic using 'researched methods', the researchers all cry foul and say 'that's not how you're supposed to implement <policy/test>!' But do you not see your own role in legitimizing this behavior? All the research into how to run a happier bee colony is going to be used to justify mistreatment and discrimination by bad actors. Every test and every policy can be maligned, and providing citations just makes that easier. The research field is itself a tool for maintaining capital.
This is literally illegal where I live. There's a few exceptions like airline pilot, police or firefighter, but besides that it's considered discrimination.
Which isn't surprising to me. I personally am not a fan of cognitive ability testing because of that exact problem. There is too much adverse impact to justify it. A simple structural behavioural interview gets you about the same predictive power with far fewer drawbacks.
It makes sense to have specific skill, ability and knowledge tests as appropriate. Like having a written and road test to get a driver license.
But these overall comprehensive "personality" or "cognitive" tests are blatently unethical.
Sounds to me like this person played the game quite well.
I want a second lunch.
You only get that if you're stupid.
Okay . . .
Hey Eli how do you know he brings brownies...?
IQ: The only winning move is not to play.
We could use an IQ test for presidents though
According to our current president, all you have to do is say "man, woman, camera, TV" and you pass an IQ test with flying colors!
It took me entirely too long to realize it was not 80% on the test
80 isn’t bad, why is he needing classes?
looks at graph
… oooh 80.