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Do they actually know how the technology works? They will have to scan everything inbound and outbound connections, basically managed devices.

Apple and Google have been given a three-month ultimatum to make it impossible for children to take, share or view nude images on their smartphones, British Prime Minister Keir Starmer said on Monday.

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[–] deliriousdreams@fedia.io 25 points 3 days ago

Make it illegal for their parents to give them phones and computing devices that can send and receive pictures. Problem solves.

No but seriously education for both parents and children. Because while I do believe these companies play their role in how children interact online and what they interact with, I don't believe they're going to be able to stop anyone from sending something or receiving something they want to send without invasive and possibly traumatic tactics that will effect people regardless of age group.

[–] arcine@jlai.lu 130 points 4 days ago (3 children)

Technology as a religion strikes again.

We can't possibly solve this problem the human way, with parent and children awareness and communication.

No, we must solve it with tech. Every problem must be solved with tech !

What a sad world.

[–] fonix232@fedia.io 22 points 4 days ago (8 children)

I mean, I'm all for forcing big tech to provide better parental control tools. Because right now they provide the bare minimum that often locks you out of control... and it's a hassle to set up, maintain and manage.

Take e.g. Apple. To do any parental control you need an Apple account. Reasonable, to this point. But! To actually have any control, you need Apple devices. It isn't enough to log in through a browser, because you can't properly set rules, limits, block sites or apps, monitor communications, no, you need an iPhone or iPad or a Mac. You can't approve access requests if your child wants to go to a non-allowlisted website for e.g. school work.

Oh and if we're at allowlists and blocklists... no platform at the moment offers ANY kind of automated lists the parents can enable. They need to manually hunt things down and add them. So you either have your kid constantly pinging you to access resources, or you're constantly reviewing what they're visiting, searching for, etc., to block inappropriate content. And with how many porn websites there are out there that are specifically CLANDESTINE porn sites that at first appear generic kids games but if you go the right way, you find porn, is staggering.

Oh and one more thing. When are we punishing Google, Meta, etc., for allowing intentionally child-targeted adult themed ads and recommendations? Or did we forget how YouTube allowed incredibly disturbing content in ads and recommendations FOR KIDS (as in, literally injected into playlists meant for kids)?

[–] Dojan@pawb.social 11 points 3 days ago (3 children)

I feel like all these locks and bars that people apparently believe that they need to be good parents to their children are a little... much? My mother wasn't an exemplary parent exactly so I wouldn't go down her route, but I think there's a case to be made for connecting to your child on a human level, and being their guide rather than their warden.

It makes me think of this hysterical American mindset I've bumped into over the years. I've got friends who likened me walking a couple of blocks to school as a six year old as child abuse, when they themselves have no idea how to operate a washing machine. I did experience abuse, but it was more of the slammed into the floor and choked out, than going to and from school on my own.

There's a happy medium to be made, where you can gradually introduce concepts to a child at a level that's appropriate. Fostering a connection to a child that makes them feel like they can trust in you, and safely go to you when they need it, while also having the freedom to make decisions and grow on their own.

Oh and one more thing. When are we punishing Google, Meta, etc., for allowing intentionally child-targeted adult themed ads and recommendations? Or did we forget how YouTube allowed incredibly disturbing content in ads and recommendations FOR KIDS (as in, literally injected into playlists meant for kids)?

I think this is the far more pressing issue. Capitalism will gladly throw the health of people under the bus if it makes them a quick buck.

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[–] 4am@lemmy.zip 14 points 4 days ago

If they don’t invent excuses to take tech away from people, for scanning everything , to force us using AIs which tell us the stories they want told, how will they retain power and hide their crimes?

[–] mecen@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 days ago

Tech and invigilation*

[–] heartSagan5@lemmy.zip 25 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Just allow parents to disable their child’s camera, simple?

[–] Cocodapuf@lemmy.world 19 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Actually, yeah. That offloads the responsibility to the parents. I think that solution actually works...

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 12 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

What sort of nightmarish personal responsibility world are you proposing? I don't want to have to raise my own damn kids.

[–] Squizzy@lemmy.world 31 points 3 days ago (1 children)

My partner sent me some dirties and the new iphone asked her if she was sure.

Creepy shit.

[–] dogdeanafternoon@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

It’s all done on device on iPhone, not really that creepy. You can also disable it if you want.

[–] Cornballer@lemmy.zip 2 points 2 days ago

You can disable it for now

[–] CommanderCloon@lemmy.ml 12 points 3 days ago (1 children)

It would be so fun if Apple and Google decided they'd rather not have business in England anymore

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

It actually shows that the government have no understanding of the technology or the culture because no one's communicating with potential paedophiles via iMessage does Google even have a messaging app anymore?

[–] qarbone@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Google does have a text message app. I use it because the native Samsung one looked ass

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[–] Lutra@lemmy.world 33 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Surveillance is not security. When fully formed Surveillance is slavery.

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[–] LemmyEntertainYou@piefed.social 24 points 3 days ago (5 children)

Starmer's labour government has been an absolute shit show. Fuck the child safety act.

[–] deathbird@mander.xyz 11 points 3 days ago

With Labour like this, who needs Tories?

[–] underThunder@thelemmy.club 5 points 2 days ago

"Protecting children" is one of the last and best tactics people use when they're trying desperately to distract from other problems.

[–] DamienGramatacus@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago

Wasn't it a Tory policy that Labour adopted? Either way, absolutely awful and really does illustrate how little difference there between the major parties.

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[–] Wildmimic@anarchist.nexus 57 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

There is a nice german word for such thinking. It's "Vollkasko-mentalität" - Vollkasko is car insurance which covers everything + mentality.

I also find it funny that any existing smartphones have to work in this system too. I'd like to see the performance of any filter technology on an Android 4 based device that hasn't seen an update or an replacement battery for decades. And what about feature phones?

I'd say let them catapult themselves back into analog times, it'll be fun to watch when they realize that filtering that requires opening letters like back in East Germany.

[–] StillAlive@piefed.world 3 points 3 days ago

it'll be fun to watch when they realize that filtering that requires opening letters like back in East Germany.

Is Playboy back in business?

[–] Mearcfara@lemmy.ml 33 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Yeah bro we're totally just scanning everything you send just on the off chance that a child (even though you have none and don't know any) are takes your phone and uses it to send a dick pic haha no bro don't worry it's for their safety haha

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 3 points 2 days ago

I estimate about 3 months until an inevitable data breach where it turns out they actually keep copies of all of the images because of course they will.

[–] pinball_wizard@lemmy.zip 8 points 3 days ago

And, because Apple cares about us, they can create the Personal Pictures Privacy Pro subscription. A plan where any compromising images are kept out of public dark web Facebook groups, for the low price of $29.95 per month.

Disclaimer: Privacy and security applied by your Personal Pictures Privacy Pro plan will be generated by mid-tier cost effective AI, which itself was trained on the work of the most affordable people who told us they were privacy and security experts.

[–] minorkeys@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

And it will only cost everyone all their privacy, right? Fucking fascists.

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 6 points 2 days ago

He's just Starmer alright. We have no control over him he just does stuff.

It's clear they haven't consulted anyone over this. All they did was told it was impossible and ignored them as per.

[–] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 29 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)
  • Demand to "protect the children" or else we'll do
  • is not done because, well, it's impossible.
  • Do whilst claiming "they gave us no other choice"
[–] wuffah@lemmy.world 37 points 4 days ago (3 children)

If Apple and Google are sending kids nude images, then their parents are showing them porn by giving them phones.

Let me guess, the solution is age verification for everyone?

[–] rozodru@piefed.world 20 points 4 days ago

because it's not about the kids, it's never been about the kids. It's about collecting/harvesting user data, IDs, and tracking said user.

Age verification for social media isn't working. why? because people will simply just stop using it. now porn? well they figure everyone gets horny and loves porn so it's the next best bet to continue to try and collect said data.

We all know the EASIEST solution to this issue, it's like you set, parental controls. it's always been the easiest solution. always. but THAT doesn't collect a users data.

Look i'll be honest if all these governments and companies just straight up came out and said "ok, we lied, it's not about the kids we just want your data. that's it. we want it so we can track it and sell it. we need the easy money." I'd slightly respect them more for it.

Seriously how about this "you allow us to collect and sell your data and we'll give you a tax break or a cut of the profits from selling it. we'll make this an opt in thing" just do that. just be god damn honest.

[–] ekky@sopuli.xyz 16 points 4 days ago

Easy, just send every parent who gives a minor a phone to prison. Problem solved!

[–] Quokka@quokk.au 11 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

The end result is further controlling people and surveilling them. Privacy is being murdered in record time.

Soon every person will have a mandatory telescreen in their pocket, linked to their facial recognition in a Palantir run 'government' database.

[–] godsammitdam@lemmy.zip 14 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (6 children)

Maybe hold the parents accountable. Betya then they'll start caring about what their children are doing. Because yes, while there are adult perpetrators, there are also children themselves selling media they create on things like roblox servers. It's a rabbit hole.

Bonus: you don't have to invalidate everyone's right to fucking privacy.

Extra credit: you can still tax the fuck out of these trillion dollar corporations that are ruining the world.

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[–] random_character_a@lemmy.world 34 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

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[–] Shameless@lemmy.world 22 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Over reach dressed up as protection for children.

I don't have kids myself so can't say I understand how prevalent this problem is, but I can imagine it's not as big of a problem as what politicians are making out. Certainly not big enough that this can be the answer, even if this legitimately required a solution, such a solution would surely be a last resort.

[–] themachinestops@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Easiest solution is awaress. Teach the parents how to monitor their children and how to use parental control. They can offer classes for this.

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[–] themurphy@lemmy.ml 17 points 3 days ago

Fucking hell, can we get an age and qualification limit on politicians already?

[–] Lutra@lemmy.world 13 points 3 days ago

Idiot's in Ties are still Idiots.

[–] FriendOfDeSoto@startrek.website 22 points 4 days ago

"We will change the law" means they haven't changed it yet. And this PM is so god damn popular in his own party, they are just trying to get his possible replacement in in an otherwise unnecessary byelection. This sounds decisive but isn't a fait accompli by any stretch of the imagination. The tech big guns will sound amenable to such a policy but will do fuck all.

[–] Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works 21 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I wonder what would happen if those companies simply told the UK government it wasn't possible, and withdrew from the market?

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[–] Arcane2077@sh.itjust.works 11 points 3 days ago (2 children)

What’s more likely, the prime minister is a clueless idiot who jeeps making blunder after blunder and is too stupid to even consider asking for advice from experts in the field, or he’s paid by terrorists?

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[–] anon_8675309@lemmy.world 6 points 3 days ago

How?

That seems like a parent problem.

[–] foxfell@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 days ago

How much he gives to his own citizens human trafficking kids from albania?

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