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[–] NottaLottaOcelot@lemmy.ca 12 points 6 days ago

I think the train carrying trust in the American tax system left the station a looooong time ago….

[–] Lushed_Lungfish@lemmy.ca 7 points 6 days ago (1 children)

There was trust in the tax system?

[–] LadyButterfly@reddthat.com 5 points 6 days ago

Or just the system in general

[–] Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works 6 points 6 days ago

It seems like right now the corruption in the Supreme Court is what's really fucking up the US.

If the corrupt individuals were removed, I imagine we might see corrections to the deterioration of the country.

[–] Etterra@discuss.online 7 points 6 days ago

Oh don't worry, I already had no trust in the tax system.

[–] melsaskca@lemmy.ca 6 points 6 days ago

Just the tax system you say?

[–] bold_atlas@lemmy.world 4 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

LOOK AT ME EXPERTS! I DECLARE THAT I AM IMMUNE TO BULLETS, FIRE, EVIL EYE AND CHILD SUPPORT PAYMENT DEADLINES!

OOOOOO BEWARE EXPERTS! BE SCARED AND SHOCKED!

[–] GirthBrooksPLO@lemmy.world 4 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

Its funny how he thinks he and his pedo buddies think they are just going to get to walk away with all the shit they stole and a ruling from an institution they debased is going to protect them.

[–] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 2 points 6 days ago

The liberals after this will protect him

[–] SGGeorwell@lemmy.world 68 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Ok - no one has trust in the tax system, my guy. We know it’s mangled beyond recognition.

[–] NekoKoneko@lemmy.world 59 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (4 children)

Regardless of "immunity" (which itself likely would be stricken by a court since it is forward-looking and contradicts the law), Todd Blanche, Donald Trump, and anyone else involved in this need go to jail over this "settlement."

The "settlement" is built on the fiction that Trump has a viable claim, when in fact Todd Blanche and others at the DOJ were given an IRS memo that put them on reasonable notice that it was barred by the statute of limitations. By agreeing to the settlement when Trump is on both sides of the case despite the fact that there isn't a viable claim, Trump, Blanche and all other approving parties are impairing the lawful function of the DOJ, to defraud the IRS, and violating this specific criminal statute (if not many others).

https://www.justice.gov/archives/jm/criminal-resource-manual-923-18-usc-371-conspiracy-defraud-us

The statute is broad enough in its terms to include any conspiracy for the purpose of impairing, obstructing or defeating the lawful function of any department of government . . . (A)ny conspiracy which is calculated to obstruct or impair its efficiency and destroy the value of its operation and reports as fair, impartial and reasonably accurate, would be to defraud the United States by depriving it of its lawful right and duty of promulgating or diffusing the information so officially acquired in the way and at the time required by law or departmental regulation.

18 U.S.C. § 371—Conspiracy to Defraud the United States

In summary, those activities which courts have held defraud the United States under 18 U.S.C. § 371 affect the government in at least one of three ways:

  1. They cheat the government out of money or property;
  2. They interfere or obstruct legitimate Government activity; or
  3. They make wrongful use of a governmental instrumentality.

Trump and Blanche are doing all three.

[–] northernlights@lemmy.today 7 points 1 week ago

Now that's a solid comment

[–] 4am@lemmy.zip 5 points 1 week ago

Literally his entire presidency has been an 18 USC 371 violation

[–] cockmushroom@reddthat.com 3 points 1 week ago (2 children)

To what extent would this sort of thing make them liable for treason?

[–] NekoKoneko@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago

Well, treason is defined in the constitution as "only [] levying War against [the United States], or [] adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort."

Arguably a fund set up that is meant to funnel money to J6 insurrectionists or to support right-wing militia groups for a new insurrection is treasonous.

[–] fodor@lemmy.zip 3 points 1 week ago

We talk about treason casually meaning things that are fundamentally bad for the country. But legally, it's not the same thing as an attempt to permanently evade taxes.

Another interesting point is that essentially Trump pushing for tax immunity is an explicit admission that he did break the law repeatedly, and that means it's also likely that he broke state laws repeatedly, and that would be a really exciting thing for state tax auditors to look into. Because he can't get Federal immunity for that.

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[–] SabinStargem@lemmy.today 21 points 1 week ago

The taxation system has been a joke for a long time. When the wealthy get to essentially ignore their responsibilities to society, there isn't much reason for that society to continue hosting them. Our elites, are simply parasites.

[–] HasturInYellow@lemmy.world 20 points 1 week ago (1 children)
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[–] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 19 points 1 week ago (3 children)

I'm pretty sure this isn't going to hold up later.

Under the settlement to resolve Trump’s $10 billion lawsuit over the 2018 leak of his tax returns to The New York Times, the U.S. is “forever barred and precluded” from examining or prosecuting Trump, his sons and the Trump Organization’s current tax filings, according to a one-page document released Tuesday. That was quietly added to an original settlement establishing a $1.8 billion fund to compensate people whom Trump thinks were improperly investigated by the government.

[–] NekoKoneko@lemmy.world 21 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

"We are allowed to do unlimited tax fraud, and nobody can investigate us. The DOJ that I control told us we could!"

[–] grue@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago

What "later?" Trump will never relinquish power.

[–] chahn.chris@piefed.social 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Bad news for Trump: nothing lasts forever.

[–] krashmo@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago

Some things last a lot longer than they should. For example, his miserable existence

[–] Eternal192@anarchist.nexus 19 points 1 week ago (1 children)

There was trust in the tax system? Sure pal.

It was one of the more fair and reliable parts of the US government, so long as you knew how to work with the system.

That "so long as you knew how to work with the system", intuit, the bloch brothers, and mister klynveldpeatmarwickgoerdeler (he's south African Dutch but not Afrikaans? I really don't understand accounting) have lobbied very hard, fast, and wet to keep difficult and out of reach for non practitioners

[–] jballs@sh.itjust.works 17 points 1 week ago

The IRS probe revolved around whether Trump doubled-dipped in cutting his taxes, according to a 2024 report by The New York Times and ProPublica — specifically whether he used the same losses from his Chicago skyscraper to cut them twice in future filings, a big no-no.

What the fuck kind of shit ass reporting is that? "A big no-no"? What are we, fucking toddlers? How about highly illegal and a felony deserving of prison time?

[–] jonesey71@lemmus.org 15 points 1 week ago (2 children)

No billionaire should ever be audited. They should have their taxes done by a team of IRS agents and then have the taxes owed taken directly from their assets. No fancy accounting loopholes, just a bill of what is owed.

[–] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 1 points 6 days ago

No billionaire should ever be

[–] SabinStargem@lemmy.today 6 points 1 week ago

I think that if there is a complete replacement of the economic workings in the USA, part of it would involve how taxes are assessed and collected. For the corporations, they shouldn't be responsible for their book-keeping. Instead, the State and Federal governments jointly undertake this duty, assigning their own personnel.

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Each quarter of the year, a coin is flipped. Tails, the State government does the IRS duties, and Heads, it is the Federal. Each of these governments respectively cover exactly half of the year's book-keeping, but the timing and personnel is randomized.

This helps mitigate corruption, because it randomizes who is looking at a company's finances. Corruption relies on social trust between thieves to not sell each other out for mutual profit, which requires the thieves to figure out who can be worked with. By constantly replacing who they have to work with, the corporations can't create ideal conditions to become corrupt.

Having the federal and state governments comparing their records also helps keep them from becoming corrupt themselves: They don't want to share the corrupt pie, so all three parties have to agree to be rotten if they want to do shady dealings. That is much harder when there are many loose lips and competing interests to sink ships.

[–] DanceMomsSavedMe@lemmy.zip 13 points 1 week ago (2 children)

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

TRUST IN THE TAX SYSTEM

[–] stoy@lemmy.zip 5 points 1 week ago

Hehe, while I have heard about how the IRS in the US does not have the best reputation, here in Sweden, the tax office is generally considered one of the most trusted institutions by the general population

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[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 13 points 1 week ago

No no no, that's impossible. Of course everybody trust the tax system in USA completely. Trust it to favor the rich. And this case will 100% strengthen that trust.

[–] Neon_Carnivore@lemmy.zip 10 points 1 week ago

Could? I don't trust a fucking thing from the government anymore.

The country I grew up in is fucking dead.

[–] LordCrom@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago (1 children)

If I sue the IRS for 10 Billion, do I get to not pay taxes also?

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It was gone when it was gutted to prevent audits of rich people and DOGE’s decimation of the agency.

[–] green_goglin@thelemmy.club 7 points 1 week ago

That ship has sailed

[–] toiletobserver@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago

I don't have to honor any agreement that tool makes with himself. Neither do you.

[–] fodor@lemmy.zip 4 points 1 week ago

Oh look he doesn't have immunity. He said that he has immunity and some people who work for him also said that he has immunity but that's not how the law works. And even if it were how the law works, it's easy enough to change the law.

[–] Formfiller@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago

Chomo Caligula needs to hang

[–] someguy3@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago (3 children)

I assume this will be challenged and found illegal. Anyone have industry knowledge?

[–] Confetti_Camouflage@pawb.social 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Who will enforce the ruling assuming it does happen?

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[–] crusa187@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 week ago

I have industry knowledge on bridges, and would be happy to sell you a new one.

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