What in the world.
Seeing Sunshine getting banned by piefed admins is not a timeline I want to be in.
This is a community in the spirit of "Am I The Asshole" where people can post their own bans from lemmy or reddit or whatever and get some feedback from others whether the ban was justified or not.
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What in the world.
Seeing Sunshine getting banned by piefed admins is not a timeline I want to be in.
I don't understand the piefed.Social people at all. Are they just making up reality as they go along?
I think they really believe the "orchestrated harrassment" bit and everything bad against them is done as part of a conspiracy to kill piefed because... tankies hate us for our freedoms or something
While also being the biggest harrasing users.
Honestly, I'm shocked they haven't just jumped to defederation already, considering they're okay with just nonstop lying and mass bans from personal hit lists. May as well just bite this weird bullet.
I wonder if they know it'd trigger a mass exodus from piefed. While they have many solid communities, the vast majority of their users are there also for federation with communities on world and db0. Defederating them would probably cause uproar when even there I'm sure most of their users see it as a personal spat.
Its why rimu only blocked db0 instead of full on defederating, which even I told rimu directly defederate if he disliked db0s admin policies so much. The fact that he hasn't I think shows that they know it's not as bad as they keep trying to claim.
There are actual hate and horrifying instances that us admins insta-defederated from. They're trying to put regular admins on the same level, but not defederating proves that it's all in their heads.
Rimu is, and I assume a lot of other people on piefed who agree with him are as well. It's the only way anyone could be okay with what he's doing or think he's at all the good guy in this situation.
Rimu is a campist, and in his mind everyone not in his camp is the same. He has 'stopped the drama' only to enlist others to fight it for him.
I swear I don't love the drama, it loves me!
Another perfect example. https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/comment/26079440
Guess snoopy new piefed pr accounts
@yogthos@lemmy.ml didn’t release exploits into the wild. He publicly disclosed vulnerabilities, which could be used to create exploits. We removed the post at the request of the developer, and he has since released a security update.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vulnerability_(computer_security)#Disclosure
Someone who discovers a vulnerability may disclose it immediately (full disclosure) or wait until a patch has been developed (responsible disclosure, or coordinated disclosure). The former approach is praised for its transparency, but the drawback is that the risk of attack is likely to be increased after disclosure with no patch available.
Yogthos has made a follow-up post: PSA: open source security considerations in the era of LLMs
The discussion is full disclosure vs responsible disclosure. I think almost everyone who is familiar with the situation agrees that:
I don't see why full disclosure is still being suggested as having been the right call in this case. A patch would have come out just as fast with a responsible disclosure, and there was nothing that users of Lemmy or Piefed could do by becoming aware of it right away. Meanwhile the full disclosure harms regular users, instance operators, and developers alike. I think it would ALSO be bad if someone did this to the Lemmy developers, or any other project.
Responsible disclosure would have meant
Even if we assume that malicious entities are actively exploiting the vulnerability, which is an assumption and not confirmed, publicly promoting it only makes the problem worse and doesn't speed up any resolution.
I understand that there is also tension between Yogthos and Rimu. I think Yogthos would have come out of this looking a lot better if they went with responsible disclosure
I don’t see why full disclosure is still being suggested as having been the right call in this case.
I don’t think it was the right call and said so in the removed post.
This is extra fantastic as snoopy keeps calming it's all over and it's time to make up, while they or rimu again kick those who bring up issues or concerns.
And a massive red flag to fucking ban/retaliate against those who discover and disclose vulnerabilities.
That’s not all!

FINALLY. I've been questioning the ideology behind piefed for months.
Except this is absolutely because I disagreed with them in the last YPTB piefed post. I wasn't even a dick about it.
edit: oh wait, that's not me. They got the wrong wren lol.
PPS: I was also banned along with a wren who hadn't posted in three months. Someone's got a rod so far up their ass their little ban finger is shaking.
Obvious PTB, not much of a surprise considering they mod on Piefed(.social) though
The key part everybody needs to understand here is that finding these vulnerabilities took mere minutes of my time. This is anybody with access to an LLM can do trivially, so the information I provided is not in any way valuable. If somebody wanted to attack piefed maliciously, they could find these same exploits just as easily as I did. Open source developers really have to start thinking about this new reality.
Piefed users once again proving they have no actual problem with reddit, they were just slightly inconvenienced once and felt the need to invade every alternative.
Well, I'm late to the party, but PTB.
The reason may be odd though.
It's the reason given that's why I jumped straight to PTB. Didn't need to see anything else.
Any mod or admin that gives that as a ban reason that isn't just cleaning up dead accounts or bots, is automatically power tripping. They could ban the same people, and even for the same things, and not have me immediately knowing they're power tripping with just two words.
It's also smug as fuck all, and I've gotten extra pissy about smug assholes in my middle age. But that's borderline being an asshole myself, so I won't go into it beyond that.
PTB, the misgendering is gross too.
regardless of how shitty the piefed crew has been behaving lately, releasing the security vulnerability as yogthos did was an asshole move and is something i disavow.
Since all yogthos did was using an LLM to find the vulnerability, and anyone can do that without any prior knowledge, today there's not much speaking for limited disclosure in open source software for anything that can be found with automated checks(and I'd argue that a quick check for security issues should be done proactively). This has changed quickly, but it defacto the new standard.
i'm showing my age being unaware then! piefed getting unexpected downtime due to an llm-identified vulnerability has been a bit of an ironic twist after there was just that fearmongering post from rimu about db0 'moderating with llm'
Nothing to do with age, this was a very rapid change in the last months - LLMs are pretty good at finding security issues and even write the exploit for you, and you don't even have to know how to code. That's awesome tho! It leads to much more secure open source code we all can depend on.
Rimu is losing it. I switched to piefed so I don't support the Tankies, but now I am actually considering switching back because even with their views, Lemmy development is attracting much less drama.
Can someone explain what happened or something lol