As someone who lives in northern BC: only city folk/wannabe hunter cosplayers bother with camo. Sweats and sunglasses work fine.
I know several people that dont even leave their truck to shoot unless they actually need to.
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As someone who lives in northern BC: only city folk/wannabe hunter cosplayers bother with camo. Sweats and sunglasses work fine.
I know several people that dont even leave their truck to shoot unless they actually need to.
My dad lives in the sticks and always makes fun of hunters with their fancy multicam outfits and $1000 scopes since he frequently gets entire families of deer at his doorstep. He jokes he could take one out with a .22
I know several people that dont even leave their truck to shoot unless they actually need to.
in the US that's illegal.
Well, I'm not in the US, and even if it is illegal here in Canada, there are so many back roads and abandoned forestry trails you would have to either be incredibly unlucky or an idiot to get caught.
just pointing it out so dumbasses in the US won't go, "that's a great idea!"
Yeah, the smart ones do it from a road at night with a spotlight... no camo required there either.
... I honestly can't decide if I should tag this with an /s or not because it is 100% a thing that happens (also 100% illegal, especially when off-season, no license, and you throw in the case of natty ice, but when has that stopped a determined redneck)
I have run across so many "hunters" doing exactly this so many times in my youth while backroading.
you're absolutely right. the only thing that can stop a determined redneck is a lack of "ambition" (beer or ammo).
There is definitely a fashion aspect to camo. Less so in hunting, and more so in the military world. Relevant fashion podcast:
https://www.articlesofinterest.co/podcast/episode/39c00bac/gear-chapter-5
The rare times I have been hunting we wore blaze orange hats & vests with no camo at all. Not getting shot by accident was priority #1, avoiding hypothermia was priority #2.
Love articles of interest! Going through their season on ivy now, the military history season is up next for me.
For deer camo is irrelevant because most cases you have to wear hunter orange (or pink) because you don’t want to die by being shot by another hunter. Also the deer don’t really notice the orange so it works out. If you strictly hunt deer you should focus on staying warm and wear hunter orange, camo doesn’t matter.
For waterfowl and Turkey especially though camo is necessary. Birds are really good at seeing danger so if you don’t blend in you have almost no chance of getting one.
The reason a deer hunter would likely be wearing camo is they also hunt turkey/waterfowl and gear isn’t free so they use a lot of the same gear for both seasons.
At least this is why I wear camo while hunting, I do both, but I’m fully aware it doesn’t matter for the deer. The gear is just good for long duration outdoor activity in all weather.
so like when hunting fowl you just take the danger of getting shot?
When deer hunting you're firing a big ass heavy bullet that can travel and be lethal for a long ways.
Birds are hunted with small pellets that dissipate energy a lot more quickly.
Not OP, but yeah, basically. Lots of incidents of hunters getting shot while turkey hunting.
ok. so I guess its just that the wounds are less severe since its buckshot or whatever but deershot will like be bad enough you want the orange?
Birdshot. Buckshot is for deer, never heard it called deer shot.
Buckshot is about 10 lead balls, each one roughly the size of a 9mm bullet. It'll absolutely fuck you up.
Slugs are more common, though. That's just a single 1+ oz projectile. Will also ruin your day.
Birdshot is hundreds of pellets, ranging from .05" - .18" diameter. They lose energy quick, so if you're 50+ yards away, they might not even break skin.
There's dove hunts where hunters completely surround a field and send their dogs in to scare up the birds. They're constantly getting hit by other hunters' shots from the other side of the field but nobody gets hurt.
Birshot shot needs a fair bit more distance than that to not break the skin in my experience, even for 20 gauge.
I wish I had not witnessed these things to know for sure...
With deer you’re typically using ammo such as a .308 or .243 Winchester. These are long range high velocity rounds that have very high lethality.
The long range part is important, a hunter 200 yards away wearing camo is probably mostly invisible and a hunter taking a shot at a deer at 200 or even 300 yards isn’t uncommon with this type of ammunition.
Shotgun shells have lots of small balls, they will often be concentrated more by a choke when people hunt birds, but their effective range and velocity combined with not being a solid mass make them way less dangerous the farther from the shooter they get.
This also means nobody is taking shots over long distances so the chances of noticing a hunter in camo is higher overall.
That said people do definitely get hit while wearing camo as was said above, it’s a risk, but if you know where you are and know your fellow hunters aren’t doing unsafe things those risks can be mitigated.
Buckshot is intended to hunt deer. Turkey shot consists of much smaller pellets, which can still do significant damage to a human, but the effective range is lesser due to the way the shot spreads out. Turkeys also see colors differently from deer, so while you can wear blaze orange and not spook the deer, you will absolutely be spotted by a turkey.
People already covered a few reasons deer hunters wear camo (only wanting one set of hunting clothes, camo does work on deer to an extent, etc). I'll add a couple of other reasons.
Many hunting seasons overlap, so someone might head out early on a Saturday morning to their hunting area to hunt for deer then spend the heat of the day hunting birds. Or maybe they have a license for both bear and deer, and they'll take what they see.
Second, camo works on humans. Non-hunters absolutely love to mess with hunters. I have several stories of waking up hours before dawn, driving to a place I can hunt, sitting in a tree stand in the freezing cold waiting for dawn, and then having a random person spot me from the road, then hike up to me to tell me I'm not allowed to be there cause Mr X doesnt let people hunt on his property (despite the fact that I have a signed permission note from Mr X). Or someone who doesn't think hunting should be allowed spotting me and then just letting their dogs off leash through the woods to flush away any deer, despite the fact that if I had a dog with me while hunting, it would be illegal because of how stressing it is for deer to be chased by dogs. Or the DNR officer doing their job by checking to make sure I have permission, the proper licenses, weaponry, square inches of pure blaze orange, etc, and next thing you know, you've lost 1 of the 2 days you'll be able to hunt that season. You only have a few prime hours per day, and having a person show up during that time will keep deer away for the rest of that window.
It's far easier to just hide from people.
Edit: and another thing I just remembered to add, camo lets other people know you are likely a hunter. If you are just walking the woods with shorts, a t-shirt, and a weapon, you will likely freak some people out.
Thanks for the write-up, very good explanation.
I hunt in whaterever I'm OK with getting dirty but I always have a blaze orange hat because someone shot at me when I was a teenager.
Depends on the deer. Some species have good eyesight. If you live on a big open field that is a very effective way to detect predators.
Breaking up the contour of your human shape is why you have camo when hunting animals with poor colour vision. They can't tell if you're a boulder or human but no big gray blob is supposed to move. Grass and branches swaying in the wind are all over the place.
Most of the hunters I know sit in a tree stand and chug Busch lights. So it’s basically a sniper nest. And they wear camo because… reasons?
To better break up the contour of the the arm when they lift the beer can.
Brilliant. They even make camo Busch light cans. Guess they thought of everything!
Bluddaman asking the most controversial question I’ve ever seen on a Wednesday at this time
And why wear full camo except for orange hat? Since deer can’t see colour, wouldn’t orange camo be safer?
Blaze Orange is legally required in some jurisdictions. The idea is that it signals to other hunters that you are a human, don't shoot. But people are stupid and I would rather they didn't see me at all.
Hat is usually the first thing you see and they are cheap.
If you hunt e.g. birds with the same clothes they have better colour vision than we do so it would not work.
There is orange camo if you want to invest in color bilnd only hunting gear.
It's all about stimuli. I'm sure most hunters have sat for hours without seeing a thing only to absent-mindedly stumble on a deer while noisily walking or riding back home. Deer might react to a stimulus, but they won't react to nothing... obviously right? I've had deer snap their heads straight to me because of a slight movement I made. While others have just kept an eye on me while they continued whatever they were doing. The point is to give them as little to react to as possible while actively trying to hunt.
Another aspect is that's simply what is available. I've got nice warm camo bibs because they are made with soft quiet fabric. My buddy who ice fishes has warm bibs as well that are not camo but noisy as hell because fishermen don't need to worry about noise. There's almost no options for warm and quiet clothing that isn't camo.
The first paragraph didn’t really seem to matter with regard to camo. The second one makes sense. If there were non-camo options for silent clothing, would you pick one over the other?
Yeah, I never understood the camo with an orange vest.
Camo is probably cosplay when they're hunting deer, but the orange vest is specifically for other humans who somehow have worse eyesight than deer and will shoot you because the camo worked on them better than it worked on the animal they're hunting.
Hunt birds with great colour vision with the same clothes. Put on a cheap vest when hunting deer instead of a whole expensive new jacket.