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[–] SirEDCaLot@lemmy.today 5 points 9 hours ago (4 children)

I'm not in favor of firing this guy.

But what the hell business does the FDA have in regulating which flavors of vapes are sold? That's like saying you can sell peanut candy bars but not caramel.

Yes I get the logic that some flavors appeal more to kids, but honestly I think it's crap. Whether they do appeal more to kids or not, it's restricting the use of a legal product by adults. That's not how a Free Country is supposed to work. This to me is no different than trying to demand IDs to watch porn online. Protecting kids is honorable, reducing freedom to (supposedly, but not really) protect kids is not what America is supposed to be.

As I see it, if kids are vaping, that's a parental problem that should be solved by parents. If you don't teach your kids not to smoke or vape you're a bad parent.

[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

If you don’t teach your kids not to smoke or vape you’re a bad parent.

This is a comment from someone who does not have children.

[–] SirEDCaLot@lemmy.today 0 points 32 minutes ago (1 children)

I get that what I'm saying sounds absolutist and simplistic. I get that there's lots of influences on kids and peer pressure and whatnot.

But I'm also going by my own experience as a kid. You were a kid too once, yes?

My parents didn't yell or scream or threaten. They explained. Even as a child I understood why smoking was bad and what damage it did to lungs. By the time I was old enough to consider smoking or have any opportunity to do so, I understood lung cancer, and addiction, and that it's much easier to start something addictive than to stop. These things had been explained to me openly, without masking the ugliness of cancer or death or addiction.

So when I say TEACH your kids not to smoke, I mean that literally. Don't preach at them or threaten them or yell at them, because it doesn't work and kids tune it out. Don't wait until they're in middle school to show them the bad side of the world.

[–] Rekorse@sh.itjust.works 1 points 16 minutes ago

You are making up a story that fits what you believe. The other commenter is right, you dont have kids and its very apparent in how you write. Confidently having an opinion and then making up details to suit that opinion is a childish thing to do.

[–] ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 1 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

Adults also get addicted to nicotine. Most developed countries are trying to lower nicotine consumption by prohibiting menthol cigarettes for example. Or by introducing generic design of the packaging, warning labels and so on. The logic is that the substance is harmful and people should not be encouraged to consume it by nice packaging or flavoring. Those are basic public health regulations like limiting where and when alcohol can be sold, how alcohol can be advertised or putting taxes on sugary drinks. I know that people in US believe all regulations infringe on their freedoms but it's pretty standard thing in civilized countries.

[–] slickgoat@lemmy.world 0 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Defending addiction in the name of freedom is a silly hill to die on.

How about killing off gerrymandering in the name of freedom?

[–] SirEDCaLot@lemmy.today 1 points 23 minutes ago

I would love to kill off gerrymandering, because it's anti-freedom and is only a tool for those in power to contradict the vote of the people. District lines should be drawn by neighborhood, without regard for the resulting vote mix.

And if you think me a Republican you are quite incorrect. I'm a registered Democrat, politically I consider myself liberal-libertarian- I think the married gay couple should have guns to defend their adopted children and their pot farm, knowing that single payer health care is there if they get hurt.
However this means I don't fit squarely into either the red or the blue camp. I align with Republicans on issues like personal freedom and gun ownership, I align with Democrats on issues like reducing corruption (they're not great but better than GOP at least) and environmental protection. And I'm quite unhappy with both of them as I think both separately and together they do a piss poor job of representing the interests of the American people.

As for nicotine- I don't defend addiction, I defend freedom and a person's right to choose what they put in their own body without excess government interference. If people make bad choices, that is their right and I reject the idea that the government should play 'nanny state' and save people from themselves. So for the government to say 'you can have this flavor vape but not that flavor' is to me no different than saying 'you can have vanilla ice cream but not chocolate as it's too tasty and too likely to make you fat'.

If people are making harmful bad choices, then the solution is to improve education so people grow up with the tools and the practice to make better choices, not to restrict the choices available.

[–] Axeman666@sh.itjust.works 2 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Thank you! Exactly, this isn't a problem that should be solved by the government. If parents don't want their kids vaping, drinking, smoking weed, eating edibles, watching porn, or anything else then parents need to police their own kids. Adults should lose access to things just because kids might like them too.

[–] Rekorse@sh.itjust.works 1 points 13 minutes ago

What a self-centered take. Are we all supposed to upvote you for your lack of morality?

"I'm selfish and anything that bothers me or prevents me from doing something is wrong." Thats what your post reads like. Clearly society needs more people like you?

[–] HubertManne@piefed.social 7 points 14 hours ago

I don't care whether your gay or straight. e-cigs are still not good for you!

[–] M137@lemmy.today 2 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago)

He looks like this dude if he had just been caught doing something really bad. Good he was able to get out in some way, hope he can find a place where he's not forced to obey Pedon Trum and his goons.

[–] magnolia_mayhem@lemmy.world 2 points 13 hours ago (2 children)

Ecigs and vapes are different things. That is a life or death distinction.

[–] Axeman666@sh.itjust.works 2 points 8 hours ago

Do you mean like the difference between disposables vs refillables?

[–] MIDItheKID@lemmy.world 4 points 12 hours ago

They are? Could you explain? Because I was under the impression they were synonymous.

[–] CmdrShepard49@sh.itjust.works 17 points 1 day ago (1 children)

But Makary’s stance was in conflict with Trump’s “save vaping” campaign promise

That's funny because it was Trump and his FDA that introduced the PMTA during his first term and the reason why 95% of the industry had to close up shop.

[–] MajorasTerribleFate@lemmy.zip 6 points 13 hours ago

Right, they can exist and succeed but only by his grace and on his (current) terms.

[–] Marn@lemmy.dbzer0.com 21 points 1 day ago (10 children)

The whole no fruty flavors has always seemed an out of touch rule. Kids using any addictive substances is not good, but a few decades ago it was commonplace for kids to be cought smoking analog cigs. Ecigs are safer and have gotten more people to quit than just about anything, but they are also easier for a non smoker to get into. I think the problem is with how kids are getting access to them (from shady illegal online dealers mostly).

That said before big tobacco got involved the older style nicotine isolate vapes were much better at actually getting people to quit smoking. They don't give the same level of instant nicotine high you can get from the modern salt nicotine and if you are trying to ween off of nicotine they lessen or remove the cravings. It also helped they weren't cool, my favorite world I've heard people call them was 'mouth fedora'

[–] backalleycoyote@lemmy.today 4 points 10 hours ago

“Analog cigs” has me dying. Metaphorically and literally.

[–] innermachine@lemmy.world 3 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Let's not forget about smirnof flavors like birthday cake or other similar nonsense. That's not advertising to children yet somehow a mango flavored vape is?

[–] Rekorse@sh.itjust.works 1 points 10 minutes ago

Well, see, birthday cake flavored Smirnoff still tastes like absolute garbage.

The real comparison would be actually good tasting alcoholic drinks like hard lemonades or seltzers. Those do actually draw in a lot of the younger crowd, you see them at a lot of underage parties.

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago

Idk i always thought those clunky vapes were cool. Cyberpunk af to have people modding and fixing up their electronic cigarettes

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[–] oyzmo@piefed.social 78 points 1 day ago (2 children)

US is like a bad b-movie. The villains do everything they can to destroy the people. The companies are all evil.

[–] radiofreebc@lemmy.world 3 points 13 hours ago

This is just late-stage capitalism in motion.

[–] trailee@sh.itjust.works 42 points 1 day ago (7 children)

You’ve found the plot! The twist is that this is what asymmetric warfare looks like, decades in the making. The US is currently losing the Cold War against the USSR, which began 5 years before Putin was born so it was his entire upbringing. He doesn’t need to maintain tight control of Donny, but merely let him wreak whatever havoc he will. The leopard face-eating will mostly just be sad because everything will be so badly damaged by the time the red team really understands how badly they’ve been had. Corporate greed is a reliable villain to rise to the occasion, that merely needed some unshackling. Billionaires gonna oligarch if you give them half a chance. Helping capitalism to self-destruct is possibly the ultimate communist victory.

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[–] Triumph@fedia.io 25 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Wine coolers have entered the chat.

[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 hour ago

This fucking idiot sent her small daughter to school with O'Douls in her lunch.

From a household with a drug addict.

[–] CmdrShepard49@sh.itjust.works 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Or how about the birthday cake flavored Smirnoff vodka as if any adult would drink such a thing.

[–] GraniteM@lemmy.world 8 points 23 hours ago (2 children)

I think it's hilarious that we keep reinventing wine coolers every so often. Wine coolers, Zima, Smirnoff Ice, hard lemonade, twisted tea, hard seltzer... it's all just neutral alcohol mixed with fruit juices and sugar, but we've got to keep coming up with fun new labels for it every ten to fifteen years so as to market it to the current hip young demographic.

[–] MIDItheKID@lemmy.world 2 points 12 hours ago

The most recent one followed the anti-soda and anti-sugar trend. Hard Seltzer, as far as the eye can see. I feel like it's on the way out though. What will they think of next!?

[–] jballs@sh.itjust.works 3 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

Zima was popular when I was a teenager. I remember a lot of my friends drinking them as an introduction to alcohol because they tasted better than beer.

A few years ago, they did a special manufacturing of Zima (since they no longer make it) and my friend bought a case. I can affirm that Zima tastes like absolute ass. Smirnoff Ice and everything after have been a huge improvement compared to that shit we had in the 90s.

[–] CmdrShepard49@sh.itjust.works 3 points 14 hours ago

I also remember Zima since they came out just before the time I began to drink underage. I make references to it every now and then and nobody ever seems to know what I'm talking about, so I feel like I've finally found my people here.

[–] A_norny_mousse@piefed.zip 20 points 1 day ago (4 children)

What's up with fruity e-cigs?!

Makary’s insiders said the former Johns Hopkins University cancer surgeon resigned after Trump forced his hand on authorizing fruit-flavored e-cigarettes. Makary had reportedly been resisting the sign-offs out of concern that the kid-friendly flavors could again entice youth use and addiction—something public health officials and experts have for years worked to combat. But Makary’s stance was in conflict with Trump’s “save vaping” campaign promise—and with the tobacco industry’s interests.

Earlier this month, The Wall Street Journal reported that Trump had called Makary over a weekend to scold him for not moving fast enough to authorize flavored vapes, particularly menthol, mango, and blueberry flavors from the Los Angeles manufacturer Glas. The FDA authorized those flavored products days later and issued a new policy that would make it easier to market flavored vapes.

[–] Gerudo@lemmy.zip 13 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Wow, only complained about one company? How big is that kick back?

[–] kungen@feddit.nu 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It's surprising how cheap most politicians are, and I wouldn't think he's any different.

[–] NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 1 points 13 hours ago

He'd do it for a BigMac. If you add some fries, he'll write an executive order hampering a competitor.

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