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[–] SirEDCaLot@lemmy.today 4 points 8 hours ago (3 children)

I'm not in favor of firing this guy.

But what the hell business does the FDA have in regulating which flavors of vapes are sold? That's like saying you can sell peanut candy bars but not caramel.

Yes I get the logic that some flavors appeal more to kids, but honestly I think it's crap. Whether they do appeal more to kids or not, it's restricting the use of a legal product by adults. That's not how a Free Country is supposed to work. This to me is no different than trying to demand IDs to watch porn online. Protecting kids is honorable, reducing freedom to (supposedly, but not really) protect kids is not what America is supposed to be.

As I see it, if kids are vaping, that's a parental problem that should be solved by parents. If you don't teach your kids not to smoke or vape you're a bad parent.

[–] ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 1 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

Adults also get addicted to nicotine. Most developed countries are trying to lower nicotine consumption by prohibiting menthol cigarettes for example. Or by introducing generic design of the packaging, warning labels and so on. The logic is that the substance is harmful and people should not be encouraged to consume it by nice packaging or flavoring. Those are basic public health regulations like limiting where and when alcohol can be sold, how alcohol can be advertised or putting taxes on sugary drinks. I know that people in US believe all regulations infringe on their freedoms but it's pretty standard thing in civilized countries.

[–] slickgoat@lemmy.world 0 points 4 hours ago

Defending addiction in the name of freedom is a silly hill to die on.

How about killing off gerrymandering in the name of freedom?

[–] Axeman666@sh.itjust.works 1 points 7 hours ago

Thank you! Exactly, this isn't a problem that should be solved by the government. If parents don't want their kids vaping, drinking, smoking weed, eating edibles, watching porn, or anything else then parents need to police their own kids. Adults should lose access to things just because kids might like them too.

[–] HubertManne@piefed.social 6 points 13 hours ago

I don't care whether your gay or straight. e-cigs are still not good for you!

[–] M137@lemmy.today 2 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago)

He looks like this dude if he had just been caught doing something really bad. Good he was able to get out in some way, hope he can find a place where he's not forced to obey Pedon Trum and his goons.

[–] magnolia_mayhem@lemmy.world 2 points 12 hours ago (2 children)

Ecigs and vapes are different things. That is a life or death distinction.

[–] Axeman666@sh.itjust.works 2 points 7 hours ago

Do you mean like the difference between disposables vs refillables?

[–] MIDItheKID@lemmy.world 4 points 11 hours ago

They are? Could you explain? Because I was under the impression they were synonymous.

[–] CmdrShepard49@sh.itjust.works 17 points 1 day ago (1 children)

But Makary’s stance was in conflict with Trump’s “save vaping” campaign promise

That's funny because it was Trump and his FDA that introduced the PMTA during his first term and the reason why 95% of the industry had to close up shop.

[–] MajorasTerribleFate@lemmy.zip 6 points 12 hours ago

Right, they can exist and succeed but only by his grace and on his (current) terms.

[–] Marn@lemmy.dbzer0.com 21 points 1 day ago (10 children)

The whole no fruty flavors has always seemed an out of touch rule. Kids using any addictive substances is not good, but a few decades ago it was commonplace for kids to be cought smoking analog cigs. Ecigs are safer and have gotten more people to quit than just about anything, but they are also easier for a non smoker to get into. I think the problem is with how kids are getting access to them (from shady illegal online dealers mostly).

That said before big tobacco got involved the older style nicotine isolate vapes were much better at actually getting people to quit smoking. They don't give the same level of instant nicotine high you can get from the modern salt nicotine and if you are trying to ween off of nicotine they lessen or remove the cravings. It also helped they weren't cool, my favorite world I've heard people call them was 'mouth fedora'

[–] backalleycoyote@lemmy.today 4 points 9 hours ago

“Analog cigs” has me dying. Metaphorically and literally.

[–] innermachine@lemmy.world 2 points 9 hours ago

Let's not forget about smirnof flavors like birthday cake or other similar nonsense. That's not advertising to children yet somehow a mango flavored vape is?

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 8 points 23 hours ago

Idk i always thought those clunky vapes were cool. Cyberpunk af to have people modding and fixing up their electronic cigarettes

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[–] oyzmo@piefed.social 78 points 1 day ago (2 children)

US is like a bad b-movie. The villains do everything they can to destroy the people. The companies are all evil.

[–] radiofreebc@lemmy.world 3 points 12 hours ago

This is just late-stage capitalism in motion.

[–] trailee@sh.itjust.works 42 points 1 day ago (1 children)

You’ve found the plot! The twist is that this is what asymmetric warfare looks like, decades in the making. The US is currently losing the Cold War against the USSR, which began 5 years before Putin was born so it was his entire upbringing. He doesn’t need to maintain tight control of Donny, but merely let him wreak whatever havoc he will. The leopard face-eating will mostly just be sad because everything will be so badly damaged by the time the red team really understands how badly they’ve been had. Corporate greed is a reliable villain to rise to the occasion, that merely needed some unshackling. Billionaires gonna oligarch if you give them half a chance. Helping capitalism to self-destruct is possibly the ultimate communist victory.

[–] Arrandee@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I feel like, having read your comment, I should stop feeling so grumpy about Russia fucking with us. We can’t get thru this late-stage capitalist nonsense fast enough.

[–] trailee@sh.itjust.works 22 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

Nope, the next stages will be worse. Climate change is baked in and being in the 99% is gonna suck.

Is fascism a sub-stage of late-stage capitalism, or a subsequent stage?

One of the subsequent stages is AI-powered robot weapons, which I predict will be used on the domestic populace before too long, but also fits in the bad b-movie theme:

This Tuesday, while America was obsessively watching the latest bizarre twists in Trump’s Iran debacle, Whiskey Pete’s Pentagon rolled out a $1.5 trillion budget request that contained a line item almost nobody’s talking about: a 24,000 percent increase, from $225 million last year to $54.6 billion this year, for an outfit called the Defense Autonomous Warfare Group. 

That’s the largest year-over-year jump for any program in the entire defense budget, and it’s earmarked to build out AI-driven autonomous human-killing systems inside the Special Operations Command headquartered at MacDill Air Force Base, Florida.

[–] xxam925@lemmy.zip 1 points 13 hours ago

Nah some 15 year old will crack the security on them.

Or fitgirl.

[–] lemmyng@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Yo dawg, I heard you like DAWGs.

So I put AI inside a human-killing system so it can simulate killing people while it kills people!

[–] trailee@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

They didn’t tell Ender that the “training missions” were all real battles until after he won the war, so that he wouldn’t have to grapple with ethics in real time. That was the essence of the Game.

[–] finallymadeanaccount@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Fucking spoilers!

throws book in the trash

That was on my To Read list.

[–] trailee@sh.itjust.works 6 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago)

Sorry, it was published over 40 years ago so the Spoilers Statute of Limitations has lapsed. It’s a good book though, put it back on your list.

[–] Triumph@fedia.io 25 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Wine coolers have entered the chat.

[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 1 points 7 minutes ago

This fucking idiot sent her small daughter to school with O'Douls in her lunch.

From a household with a drug addict.

[–] CmdrShepard49@sh.itjust.works 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Or how about the birthday cake flavored Smirnoff vodka as if any adult would drink such a thing.

[–] GraniteM@lemmy.world 8 points 22 hours ago (2 children)

I think it's hilarious that we keep reinventing wine coolers every so often. Wine coolers, Zima, Smirnoff Ice, hard lemonade, twisted tea, hard seltzer... it's all just neutral alcohol mixed with fruit juices and sugar, but we've got to keep coming up with fun new labels for it every ten to fifteen years so as to market it to the current hip young demographic.

[–] MIDItheKID@lemmy.world 2 points 11 hours ago

The most recent one followed the anti-soda and anti-sugar trend. Hard Seltzer, as far as the eye can see. I feel like it's on the way out though. What will they think of next!?

[–] jballs@sh.itjust.works 3 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

Zima was popular when I was a teenager. I remember a lot of my friends drinking them as an introduction to alcohol because they tasted better than beer.

A few years ago, they did a special manufacturing of Zima (since they no longer make it) and my friend bought a case. I can affirm that Zima tastes like absolute ass. Smirnoff Ice and everything after have been a huge improvement compared to that shit we had in the 90s.

[–] CmdrShepard49@sh.itjust.works 3 points 13 hours ago

I also remember Zima since they came out just before the time I began to drink underage. I make references to it every now and then and nobody ever seems to know what I'm talking about, so I feel like I've finally found my people here.

[–] A_norny_mousse@piefed.zip 20 points 1 day ago (4 children)

What's up with fruity e-cigs?!

Makary’s insiders said the former Johns Hopkins University cancer surgeon resigned after Trump forced his hand on authorizing fruit-flavored e-cigarettes. Makary had reportedly been resisting the sign-offs out of concern that the kid-friendly flavors could again entice youth use and addiction—something public health officials and experts have for years worked to combat. But Makary’s stance was in conflict with Trump’s “save vaping” campaign promise—and with the tobacco industry’s interests.

Earlier this month, The Wall Street Journal reported that Trump had called Makary over a weekend to scold him for not moving fast enough to authorize flavored vapes, particularly menthol, mango, and blueberry flavors from the Los Angeles manufacturer Glas. The FDA authorized those flavored products days later and issued a new policy that would make it easier to market flavored vapes.

[–] Gerudo@lemmy.zip 13 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Wow, only complained about one company? How big is that kick back?

[–] kungen@feddit.nu 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It's surprising how cheap most politicians are, and I wouldn't think he's any different.

[–] NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 1 points 12 hours ago

He'd do it for a BigMac. If you add some fries, he'll write an executive order hampering a competitor.

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