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[-] Parsani@hexbear.net 81 points 11 months ago

The problem here is that the faculty is clearly 100% liberal

[-] HolyDiver@aussie.zone 38 points 11 months ago

i think the people that voted “very liberal” aren’t liberal at all, they just weren’t given any other options

[-] autismdragon@hexbear.net 43 points 11 months ago

Eh most of the "very liberal" category is probably succdems. But yeah whatever Marxists and Anarchists work at Harvard if they are there probably had to answer very liberal due to lack of options.

[-] axont@hexbear.net 13 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

The only professor I know who calls himself a Marxist at Harvard is this guy, Stephen Marglin. And he says it with a million qualifiers too, like that he's a secular humanist first and Marxist second. He mostly does very particular economic work without much advocacy for Marxist praxis. And that's what I expect most university academic leftists to be, they might call themselves Marxists or anarchists, but with qualifiers and they certainly won't praise international socialist movements with a full throat. I can't imagine there are many ivy league professors defending things like the cuban revolution or modern China.

The only three leftist professors I know about who are what we'd call leftists (not radlibs, or socdems, ultras, etc) have been Vijya Prashad, Michael Parenti, and Richard Wolff.

[-] star_wraith@hexbear.net 8 points 11 months ago

I don’t know if Walter Johnson (history prof) calls himself a Marxist, but I read his The Broken Heart of America and it’s hard to come to any conclusion other than he’s a Marxist but maybe doesn’t explicitly come out and say it. He goes out of his way to discuss various communists in history like Joseph Weydemeyer, who he calls the Zeppo to Marx and Engels’ Harpo and Groucho (he meant it in a positive way, since most Marxists probably aren’t even aware of Weydemeyer).

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[-] GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 11 points 11 months ago

Have you been to American colleges? The "better" ones are crawling with radlibs

[-] regul@hexbear.net 21 points 11 months ago

Pol Pot would never stand for this.

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[-] nightshade@hexbear.net 68 points 11 months ago

Believes in an ideology which valorizes greed and selfishness

Complains when fellow believers in that ideology use their education to become fossil fuel execs, Supreme Court justices, and hedge fund managers instead of doing a teaching job which requires more effort and pays way less.

[-] Adkml@hexbear.net 33 points 11 months ago

Aldo "belongs to political party that constantly says colleges are communist indoctrination camps, shocked that more people with that belief don't work there"

[-] Nagarjuna@hexbear.net 61 points 11 months ago

If you take someone with conservative values and you give them a quality education, they become a moderate. If you take someone with progressive values and give them an education they become ~~a socialist~~ very liberal. If you give someone with moderate values an education, they become an MBA. Education selects against conservatives because conservative politics come from ignorance and magical thinking.

[-] NephewAlphaBravo@hexbear.net 34 points 11 months ago

conservatives either become a moderate, a blood-drinking natsec psychopath, or trans

[-] SchillMenaker@hexbear.net 27 points 11 months ago

Are those the three genders Biden was talking about?

[-] axont@hexbear.net 17 points 11 months ago

i think with conservatives it's more the case that they learn how to say particular words to fit in better with certain lib crowds than necessarily become moderates. College teaches them how to sound like moderates.

they go from conservatives to bow-tie conservatives

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[-] star_wraith@hexbear.net 14 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

A corollary to this is how Evangelical parents think college “brainwashes” their kids and turns them into atheists. The reality is, they spend 18 years feeding their kids magical bullshit about how evolution isn’t true, the earth is 6,000 years old, the OT is real history, and how the Bible is entirely free from error. Not to mention telling them all those scary LGBTQ people are all just evil sinners.

They spend 18 years building this little bubble of religious ideas around their kids - making sure their kids only associate with church kids, sending them to private Christian schools, etc. But since those ideas are such ridiculous horseshit, they don’t bear even the slightest scrutiny, and college is the first time for a lot of these kids that their beliefs face any scrutiny at all. True for notions of biblical historicity as much as actually meeting people of different religions, sexual orientations, etc, often for the first time in their lives in any meaningful sense. So they abandon their beliefs and often resent their religious parents for how they were raised.

[-] emizeko@hexbear.net 54 points 11 months ago

I love how it's in a circle to implicitly deny anything exists outside of liberalism

[-] Flyberius@hexbear.net 47 points 11 months ago

I lol'd so hard at, "very liberal"

[-] ElChapoDeChapo@hexbear.net 17 points 11 months ago

In amerikkka we have the freedom to be liberal or very liberal

[-] Tankiedesantski@hexbear.net 10 points 11 months ago

"I don't agree with the cannibal child molester puppy kickers, but I will defend their right to free speech with my life."

[-] DamarcusArt@lemmygrad.ml 54 points 11 months ago

I thought these guys believed that universities were run by the sinister cultural marxists? I don't even see a single percent of the faculty following that ideology though. I demand more cultural marxists in universities!

[-] NephewAlphaBravo@hexbear.net 41 points 11 months ago

chuds solidarity commies

"college is liberal indoctrination"

[-] JohnBrownNote@hexbear.net 32 points 11 months ago

they think liberal means marxist

i think they should get the wall

[-] Ram_The_Manparts@hexbear.net 45 points 11 months ago

Hello fellow very liberals

[-] SchillMenaker@hexbear.net 42 points 11 months ago

What a shitty chart, why did they only give respondents one answer to choose between?

[-] Tachanka@hexbear.net 29 points 11 months ago

^Engels wrote these words in 1892

[-] FloridaBoi@hexbear.net 14 points 11 months ago

All political thought in the US can only be on the spectrum of liberal to conservative. Liberal is used in such a broad way here though.

[-] star_wraith@hexbear.net 9 points 11 months ago

That’s how you get chuds calling Biden and Harris “communists”. When you can only think in terms of liberal and conservative, then communism can only be “extreme liberalism”.

[-] the_post_oftom_joad@lemmygrad.ml 11 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Or its a great chart that works very well at the purpose of hemming in free thought, as the idea of 'diversity' by someone so penned is apparently Choco or vanilla flavored fascism

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[-] axont@hexbear.net 42 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

The college thing always feels like such sour grapes. Conservatives have Bob Jones University, Georgetown, Bringham Young, and a whole billion dollar industry of weird little fundamentalist schools that build replicas of Noah's Ark. Yet they still want the clout of all the liberal schools. These conservatives places don't have the reputation of Harvard and Yale because their faculty is full of weird cranks. And I'm gonna guess they get fewer international students because they probably have very racist admission policies (how you can get more racist than Harvard/Yale is impressive).

I have no idea, but my gut says that conservatives who become academics either: 1) complete and utter cranks like Murray Rothbard who only got into academics to be annoying to people or 2) complete and utter cranks with sincere creationism beliefs who want to spread their particular weird evangelism

Also Harvard is a school for libs to convince them working at the CIA is actually a humanitarian project. It's like a soothing balm to wealthy liberals feel better about themselves. Conservatives don't need that, they already don't give a shit and don't need cognitive dissonance. They're already convinced imperialism is good.

The most conservative professors I had in college always worked at the engineering department too, so that could explain why Harvard's so full of libs. The chuds all work at colleges that teach oil drilling science

[-] Tankiedesantski@hexbear.net 32 points 11 months ago

And I'm gonna guess they get fewer international students because they probably have very racist admission policies (how you can get more racist than Harvard/Yale is impressive).

A friend of mine was just telling me about one of her friends got a scholarship to Bringham Young. He was from an extraordinarily rich family in Taiwan and during his interview the BY interviewer kept talking about how the dude must have had such a hard time growing up in poverty. He thought the interviewer had the wrong person's file and when he tried to clarify the interviewer told him that Taiwan is a very poor place so whatever he thinks of as "wealthy" isn't really rich.

[-] axont@hexbear.net 24 points 11 months ago

you're telling me Mormons are confused about geography

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[-] usernamesaredifficul@hexbear.net 14 points 11 months ago

also it's worth travelling to america so you can say you studied at harvard.

[-] axont@hexbear.net 19 points 11 months ago

Yeah imagine being a rich kid from Singapore coming back to tell your peers you studied at Joel Osteen University of Creation Science or something

[-] MF_COOM@hexbear.net 41 points 11 months ago

federal legislation that requires diversity of thought among faculty members

I mean unironically that would be a step in the right direction because apparently right now 100% of faculty are apparently liberals

[-] Collatz_problem@hexbear.net 32 points 11 months ago

Diversity of thought would mean that half would be liberals and another half conservatives.

[-] MF_COOM@hexbear.net 16 points 11 months ago

Conservatives are liberals

[-] Collatz_problem@hexbear.net 11 points 11 months ago

And liberals are conservatives as they want only to preserve the status quo.

[-] Dirt_Owl@hexbear.net 40 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Because reality is left so academia (when allowed) skews left. But obviously, our masters can't have leftists in a capitalist country gain any power, so they settle for liberalism, which is still capitalism and therefore right wing, but not so right-wing that you consider flat Earth theory valid.

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[-] AOCapitulator@hexbear.net 28 points 11 months ago

Completely ignoring the fact that this graph is 0% leftist and therefore very biased towards the very system this person worships

[-] KoboldKomrade@hexbear.net 22 points 11 months ago

Anytime I see a conservative complain about college professors, I just know they have never stepped in a classroom. Like half of my (outside of the humanities) professors were basic Mitt Romney tier conservatives. Most of the "liberals" would give their lives for a conservative. Unless the professor was LGBT+ or an open ally, they never expressed anything close to a left idea.

My college let people put up fake "abortion" pics and go around with loud speakers bitching about (derogatory sexist terms here). A professor finally got ousted by posting racism on twitter, a bunch of his students and assistants complained about being weird about race, sex, etc, and he got canned. He got his spot back after a year because of tenure. Dude literally compared the nword to people calling Trump orange in class, but hey conservatives are the most oppressed. Economics and history depts were typical conservative/liberal shit. Ironically, the comp sci dept was ok, but the new head was an older tech bro who complained about women not wanting to join their dept. The best teacher they (the CS Dept) had was openly gay, he was pretty cool but strict, and he finally left for an ivy league last I heard. Him and 2 other professors were holding that place together. I bet they're going to tank everything because they won't stand up to conservatives in FL.

TLDR: Academia in America is as a rule extremely conservative.

[-] BountifulEggnog@hexbear.net 21 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

What a bizarre way to organize the chart. It's not by size, or how conservative or liberal people reported. Is there a reason they'd arrange the sections like this?

[-] NephewAlphaBravo@hexbear.net 30 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

it's in alphabetical order clockwise

[-] BountifulEggnog@hexbear.net 10 points 11 months ago

Ooh, thank you.

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[-] keepcarrot@hexbear.net 20 points 11 months ago

Also, I hate "diversity of thought" as a talking point. Conservatives often say they prefer "diversity of thought" over diversity, but is a group of cis white straight dudes really going to have that wide a variety of opinions about gender than your polycule or whatever? Oddly, having people from a wide variety of backgrounds increases diversity of thought.

[-] SoyViking@hexbear.net 15 points 11 months ago

They only want "diversity of thought" when they think it'll result in more of their thought being promoted. None of them wants "diversity of thought" in business or finance.

[-] keepcarrot@hexbear.net 11 points 11 months ago

Yeah, I know. I despair at the rubes that actually fall for it (who presumably do exist and are very annoying to talk to)

[-] buckykat@hexbear.net 19 points 11 months ago

skill issue

[-] Cummunism@hexbear.net 18 points 11 months ago

looks like 100% conservative to me

[-] Evilphd666@hexbear.net 10 points 11 months ago

Because fascism is dumb.

[-] keepcarrot@hexbear.net 9 points 11 months ago

This can't be right because 31.8% of faculty isn't on hexbear.

[-] SoyViking@hexbear.net 8 points 11 months ago

Harvard's Overton window goes from right-wing who pretends to feel bad about it to right-wing who pretends to feel good about it.

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