Does this remove apps already installled on my device?
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Fine, ill go back to dumb phone era. 3310 here i come old buddy.
No, I bought an android phone because it's not a fucking apple device.
After spending a few years managing apple devices in a large company, I wanted nothing to do with them anymore.
So, what's the current status of GrapheneOS on a Pixel 10 pro? My Pixel 6 pro is no longer supported by GOS in October.
Fuck this. My next device will be a Fairphone with Murena OS.
what's that?
It's a phone made by Fairphone that runs on Murena OS.
I know about Fairphone but haven't heard of. MurenaOS
it was never your phone to begin with.
The fucked up thing with phones is the locked boot loaders. Locked boot loaders should not exist because this seriously restricts the driver and OS development.
Hoping that Graphene Motorola partnership ends up making Graphene some really well supported target for bank/finance apps for those that make that a part of their required features for a phone. I can live with Firefox. Many seemingly can't
Vanadium on GrapheneOS will probably be what most people go with for website compatibility. Assuming they aren't switching to GrapheneOS for the main aspects but just want to get away from google
My latest phone is a Fairphone 6 with e/OS preinstalled, so it came degoogled and easily repairable out of the box. I intend to keep it for at least a decade. I cant imagine a feature I would be willing to upgrade for, so I'll probably keep it longer than that.
what's the move? get "ahead" of it and get a Fairphone? I am not entirely sure when the Graphene OS Motorola phones come out and who knows the legal implications that will have.
Buying a phone is not exactly a choice.
GrapheneOS would be great, if it would just support 1000x the hardware it does now. With the extremely limited hardware it does support it's practically as good as useless for the vast majority of Android users
I'd switch tomorrow, would if I could
Most hardware doesn't support the fundamental security requirements of GrapheneOS, so that will never happen.
Look into things like /e/OS or Nothing Phone on the Android side, and the various Linux options (Jellyfish OS is, I think, the most advanced).
I'm just gonna switch to linux for my next phone. It's past time.
Please consider donating to PostmarketOS to build up a pure mobile Linux alternative that is completely free of Google's influence. It's the best option we have.
Really glad I decided to switch to GrapheneOS. My next phone will be a Motorola for sure.
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I consider myself pretty computer savvy but phones have always pissed me off. I got a Galaxy S22 Ultra because I wanted stylus and high refresh rate, but I consistently regret giving Samsung my business.
I have the SM-S908U1, what are realistically my best options here? I can't really afford an upgrade right now.
Fully same page. I got a used Z fold cuz I love the design, but now I guess I'm just never updating again until I have time to learn how to install my own OS on it 😵
Unfortunately, for the specs and special stylus integration feature, Samsung has cornered the market. You can try any other phone and purchase a simple stylus that is just a rubber tip on a plastic stick, but it won't have the pressure features and quick action button that the S-pen has.
Apple pencil pro on an iPad pro is the only device with commensurate features.
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I support spreading this message, and fuck Google, but...what's actually happening is they are making harder to install apps, not removing the ability to do so.
After massive pushback. Their original plan was basically full control. It still is, but they'll allow you to install something if you ask nicely first.
The other issue is the timing. They can claim this is for security all they want, but it was announced suspiciously close to the courts ruling that Google needed to open up their ecosystem to other app stores. This is a blatant attempt to keep control of the app ecosystem by forcing devs to go through Google regardless of where they intend to release.
They can claim this is for security all they want, but it was announced suspiciously close to the courts ruling that Google needed to open up their ecosystem to other app stores.
The courts ruled that users need to be able to install competing app stores without any warning, which is different from how it works today. Obviously allowing installation without any warning would be a boon to malware authors, so they added a way for third party app developers (including app store app developers) to verify themselves and distribute apps outside the Play Store without a warning on installation. Now Epic can verify with Google and distribute its app on its own website without needing to tell the user how to dismiss a scary warning, and the same is true for Safeway and Proton and other developers that might want to self distribute. On top of that, now GrapheneOS can implement its own verification system using the same OS-level APIs. Maybe app authors can distribute apps themselves for users of GrapheneOS by registering their repo with a verification system that runs an automated security audit on the repo and ensures reproducible builds.
Now that there is a way to distribute apps safely outside the system app store, that probably prompted them to look at what was causing malware problems, and they came up with that system. Saying it's some massive conspiracy won't force them to change their minds, especially since there aren't enough users who care to make a dent in their revenue. Proposing a less onerous way to stop malware and bringing that in front of a judge on behalf of the app developers who are harmed will.
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Google is "only" locking you out of using your phone for 24 hours...
For extra security, let's make it a week. Let's make it a month. Let's make it a year.
It's a holding period so a phone scammer can't be on the phone with you or over a live chat having you enable and install what they want right away. You're kind of an idiot if you can't see that it would work. Cry me a river if you have to wait a day before installing some of your shit.
Cry me a river if you have to wait a day before installing some of your shit
wtf
Of course it wouldn't work.
Do you think putting a 24 h lock on your grandma's front door will prevent scammers from coming in?
No. No it won't. Any good scammer will be organized enough to start the scam and release the lock, then return after the timeout to finosh the job.
Do you think people vulnerable to scams will magically notice the scam in 24 hours?
Also, do you think most scams use sideloaded apps? Amazon gift cards are an easier vector. There's also premium SMS.
Modern scams have nothing to do with security. They prey on people who fall for them. No security measure, save for a trusted friend telling them it's a scam will work.
What this is is a thinly-veiled attempt to lock users out of using their own devices and to strenghten a slowly-crumbling ecosystem.
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GrapheneOS doesn't give a fuck
So GOS on Pixel is still fine right?
Root n ROM I guess
I am so endlessly angry at this, I actually switched banks because my old bank's app didn't work on a degoogled phone.
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Stallman was right. Software absolutely needs to be free.
My tech brothers, how easy is it to install graphene on my pixel 7? Will my banking app (Barclays, UK) still work? Tia
Barclays: This app only runs in the owner profile and secure app spawning may have to be disabled
https://privsec.dev/posts/android/banking-applications-compatibility-with-grapheneos/
The installation is super easy - barelly an inconvinience. However you need to set up everything on your phone manually - no easy transfer from stock Android afaik.
super easy - barely an inconvinience
I understood that reference!
And agreed, installation is super simple, just a good quality USB-C data cable (the one that comes with the Pixel works great) and a Chromium-based browser. As for post-installation, yeah it can be a pain but you'd be surprised how much crap from your old phone you don't actually need. Going GrapheneOS is a good way to go minimalist if you want to.
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