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[–] Rusticus@lemmy.world 40 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (4 children)

Since the NIH funding freeze in Jan 2025 that was so devastating to academic research labs in the US, we have lost 10,000 PhD candidates. That's 10,000 of the brightest and smartest young researchers in the world just gone. That single move destroyed STEM research in the US that we will never recover from.

For those that think, no we'll easily recover as we just won't freeze funding in the future: no young scientist will come to the US now or in the future to enter a PhD program because of the always present threat that we will elect another troglodyte. These research labs have grant money that cannot be paused even for a day as they can't pay for their research assistants and students without it. It's their only source of funds.

Edit: based upon the ignorant responses most don’t appear to know how PhD programs work and are funded which contributes to the lack of outrage over these destructive policies. US is rapidly going down the tubes.

[–] atomicbocks@sh.itjust.works 11 points 1 day ago (3 children)

I would love to have a PhD or even a masters degree but I cannot afford it.

One thing that I feel like needs to be pointed out when it’s mentioned is it’s not just 10,000 PhD’s. It’s 10,000 people who could afford a PhD. 10,000 families that could afford for one of their kids or spouses to spend that much time in college with that much expense or to take on that much in student loans. It’s not just PhD’s it’s wiping out what’s left in the upper middle class.

[–] SoleInvictus@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 1 day ago (15 children)

Most PHDs of the type referenced, and most STEM PhDs in general, are fully funded. In other words, tuition and generally some degree of living expenses are covered in exchange for work performed for teaching and research assistantships, fellowships, and grants. This is also true for many STEM masters degrees, though with fewer funding opportunities.

If you're going post-graduate in a STEM field with a thesis requirement AND are paying tuition, you're getting fucked.

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[–] discocactus@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Go to Europe. My MSc cost me €1500.

[–] atomicbocks@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I’ve spent more than 15 years trying to get out of the US. It’s pretty much only possible if you can trace your lineage back to Europe which as a Native American who has maybe a tiny bit of Scottish I can’t. Or if you get a job in Europe. I can’t even afford a European vacation.

It's absolutely possible but it's not easy if you don't have a in demand profession.

One of my closest friends left the US for Germany with about $5000, a suitcase of clothes, and absolutely no specialized work skills. He worked in hostels for room and board, and did part time work for spending money. He had to skirt immigration laws while working to get permanent residency, but got his education in IT for only minor fees each semester and became a citizen after ten years.

It can be done, but it's much more difficult without lots of money, family, or similar advantages.

[–] wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 1 points 1 day ago

European universities have a special rate that they charge non-EU residents. It's closer to US tuition rates (but still way cheaper than US tuition).

[–] ssladam@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago (4 children)

What do you mean? Masters are extremely pricey, but in general a PhD candidate will pay nothing out of pocket, and likely will get a stipend.

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[–] DarkFuture@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago

I really don't think most Americans are ready to accept that we're a declining nation and will be for the remainder of our lives. Things will just keep getting shittier and shittier bit by bit. Death by a thousand little cuts.

[–] wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 3 points 1 day ago

If only tuition and course fees didn't go directly into the pockets of the administrators...

[–] ssladam@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

And Chinese universities were already quickly catching up, and in some cases leading. That will accelerate now. All those best-and-brightest Chinese researchers have less and less motivation to come study in the US each passing day.

[–] wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 16 points 1 day ago (1 children)

"They can't surpass us if we don't record the numbers!"

That's like the time they fired the Labor statistician for reporting bad jobs numbers...

[–] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 29 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Ah, yes, because disproving data is as easy as firing the team gathering and analyzing the data 🤡

[–] wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 4 points 1 day ago

"Oh yeah? Show me the evidence, bro!"

"I can't, because the researchers all got fired."

"See, bro, I knew you were full of shit!"

[–] atzanteol@sh.itjust.works 23 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Well, he is the guy who wanted to stop covid testing so the US wouldn't report bad numbers.

[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 6 points 1 day ago

That's exactly what I thought of. These people think hiding their heads in the sand is good enough, as long as they can pretend they aren't getting fucked in the ass at the same time.

[–] DarkFuture@lemmy.world 11 points 1 day ago (2 children)

The future belongs to China. And our government really doesn't want us to know that.

[–] CultLeader4Hire@lemmy.world 13 points 1 day ago

Really doesn’t want us to know they’re the reason the future belongs to China

Or the corporations running the government are intentionally hoping to cause the collapse of the United States and completely privatize every aspect of whatever they replace it with.

[–] Fedizen@lemmy.world 13 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Is this winning? Also its weird how much tech bros hate science

[–] Broadfern@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

Tech bros are about hype, money, and eventually control.

Science is (ostensibly and ideally) about facts, education, and improving the world for its inhabitants when applied properly.

Those two paradigms don’t mix so well anymore.

Broligarchs determining U.S. domestic policy: There's no question China has an advantage in AI development. That's why we had to cut funding to every other area (including science), strip away privacy laws, destroy civil liberties, gut regulations for corporations, and put all of our eggs into one AI basket.

Trump: Done.

NSB: China has a growing advantage over the U.S. in science. Perhaps we should rethink dumping money into the AI hole in the ground you have been banking on turning into the next .com boom? Maybe we could consider moving it back into science.

Trump: Yuh fiyad...

[–] KenOh@feddit.online 6 points 1 day ago (2 children)
[–] No1@aussie.zone 1 points 1 day ago

Cuz, been slow cooked in the sous-vide, and will be flash fried to finish off.

[–] SnarkoPolo@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago

But that laughing brown lady was just so ARROGANT.

[–] Etterra@discuss.online 4 points 1 day ago

Trump: if I don't acknowledge facts them they aren't real.

Sounds like trump stopped them just in time! Now china can't grow their edge anymore!

[–] saltesc@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago

LALALALALA!!!

[–] Luisp@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 day ago

This is like Mao but firing instead of the wall

[–] TryingToBeGood@reddthat.com 5 points 1 day ago

the internet is a thing. Write up the report anyway and post it.

[–] Corvidae@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

Slay the messenger.

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