Hey there, Kaplan.

So, this is quite clearly now just a witch hunt by you.

For anyone else who is curious, this is what happened.

A user by the name of Luminous was an admin on Anarchist.nexus. They banned MrKaplan from a community for posting zionist apologia. Luminous also had 'Kill all Zionists' as their display name. MrKaplan took this as a personal death threat. Instead of speaking with any other admin from Anarchist.nexus and reporting the behavior, MrKaplan instantly defederated from Anarchist.nexus.

In the next couple of days, Kaplan messaged other users/admins of Lemmy about the defederation and suggested defederation to others as well.

It was then posted about in the Piefed matrix channel. This led to PugJesus, someone who I abhor, actually saying something I agree with.

The conversation moves elsewhere. One bit of input that stands out is this. It will become important in a second.

In basically every situation, Kaplan is told that they're wrong or overreacting but Kaplan cannot see past the 'death threat' to their own mistake.

So, I messaged Kaplan. Conversation goes on and one thing is made clear

Kaplan never spoke with anyone and ran all of this off of an assumption. There was inconsistencies in how the different people felt because they were different people and not one organism. What was individuality instead came off as obliviousness and Kaplan took it personaly. See what I mean by it became important? Kaplan is talking about a 'lack of moderation' over something that Kaplan literally never reported or talked to anyone about and instead just made assumptions over.

@Ruud@lemmy.world, this is what you're backing. You went out of your way to make an instance that wasn't going to be reddit and you went ahead and re-created Spez, an admin who personally takes out their own feelings on anyone that they don't like and is trying to control the narrative of the entirety of the fediverse.

Friendly reminder to everyone. Check back a couple of months ago on this community and look at the post about JordanLund. A moderator who was openly lying to the admins in public but the admins took weeks to decide to do literally nothing. But a single user on another instance meant that MrKaplan was able to defederate it all.

This behavior from Kaplan is, quite literally, the reason that I left lemmy.world.

Don't believe me? Here's the last message I sent Kaplan during the Jordan garbage.

Funny. Jordan requires a ton of deliberation, reasons in the TOS, and you're all 'working on it' but a single user says something you don't like so instant defederation?

Edit: Quick note but every other post on this community has been featured. This one isn't. So you're making an announcement but you're not really announcing it. Any response to this, Kaplan?

Edit 2: Kaplan is just blatantly lying. As demonstrated above, Kaplan has literally zero evidence of this claim other than things "feeling odd".

Edit 3: Serinus joined the thread 15 minutes ago and now a number of my comments are being removed for 'misinformation' despite the comment above proving them to be categorically true.

From what I saw, the 'call to murder' was someone having kill all zionists in their username, and that only makes sense as a real call to violence if we're supposed to take everyone's username seriously and literally. That would be a very weird world to be in, as then we'd have to accept that we're reading posts written by Star Trek characters come to life, inanimate objects, and various bodily fluids. Without evidence of something worth taking more seriously, at best this looks like the admin team doing something silly, and obviously certain groups of Lemmy users will interpret it less charitably and as the LW admin team being pro-genocide. Neither is a good look.

I am confused. If the admin in question is no longer an admin, what's the need for defederation?

the tea is all over yepowertrippinbastards, and i gotta say i agree with the prevailing sentiment. mrkaplan is making a bad move, but its indicative of a pattern of politically based moderation that pervades .world.

This is honestly pathetic. If the admins want to have an argument at least leave everyone else out of it. Defederation should be an absolute last resort not your first port of call when someone disagrees with you

Okay, but was the person accused a Zionist? If so, why not eject/defederate/ultimatum them instead?

I'd prefer a federation of rabid anti-Zionists than one of Zionists. It's the Nazi bar analogy, because EVERYONE should be against Genocide.

Have you considered raising this with the admin team before defederating?? Or with your userbase?? I don't wanna hear shit about hexbear is aUtHoRiTaRiAaAaAn when they have a vote before defederation instead of just throwing a tantrum and reflexively defederating a whole-ass instance because of personal drama between two admins.

Zionism is bad tho

Guess I need to move instances

We're currently discussing how we will proceed with this situation

Block the mod on your personal list, don't defederate?

Have you considered not being Zionists

Lol, The FAF takes weeks of deliberation, and a public vote to defederate feddit.org and we still get shit about being "authoritarians" or "manipulative". L.W. just YOLO defederated an anarchist instance on the flimsiest excuse and...crickets.

So wait you're just defeterating an entire instance just because the arch Zionist of this instance is having a bitch fit? I'd rather just get rid of him. Can we do that instead?

Oh no someone said something controversial on the internet, what ever will we do?

Remember when world nuked the piracy community lol.

Unless that instance is causing brigading, what's the point of banning over a former admin with such a tame username.

Just so I get this right, you defederated an entire instance because a singular user has lost it and called for violence?

Honestly, with comments in this thread being removed by mods and the delays and prevarifications over this defederation, I'm starting to think LW is run by children.

Do better.

Having issues with a genocidal state is one thing, calling for a specific person to be murdered is another.

Can you post the comment where they called for a specific person to be murdered? A link would be great, but even a copy/paste would do well.

After getting a better look at the background, this seems like a misstep.

Agreed that Luminous was not exhibiting behavior that seemed becoming of an admin (borrowing the terms of the db0 folks, they appear to be a bit of a "shit stirrer") but it doesn't look like there was any direct call to violence towards Kaplan, as this whole debacle seems to imply.

Luminous is no longer an admin, so I don't see why the defederation of anarchist.nexus needs to continue (given that its initial justification is already questionable). The main takeaway is that the admin team of Lemmy.world (or maybe just Kaplan, I don't know who all the admins are) seem to be taking criticism of Zionism personally...which to me sounds easily solved by simply not being Zionists.

So, if the LW team are not Zionists, I don't see why they shouldn't just come out and say so, but then I guess I don't see any other reason why someone would take a "death to Zionists" tagline personally.

this is a bit embarrassing

Lemmy.world not beating the allegations of harboring Zionists

Is there an instance policy that affects dot world?

Or is it just a personal issue against one person?

I would argue that you should just ban THAT PERSON from your instance. Trying to hurt a whole instance and the whole federation concept over one person being rude on internet feels unreasonable.

People said "doesn't matter which instance you land on when you sign in", trying to lure people into the fediverse simplifying the sign in process. But with these kinds of behaviors is a BIG ISSUE which instance do you choose, making you create multiple accounts on a fragmented fediverse, for things that have nothing to do with you.

How many migrations could normal people who just want to have a social media place to have fun endure? One? Two? Three? After that I would guess many people would give up and just move away from the fediverse because they just have to keep making different accounts to interact with the whole place.

Honestly a great move from the .world admins to prevent themselves from becoming too big, and I applaud their effort to piss everyone off and make them leave for more community oriented instances lmao

Viewpoint from the other side of the discussion:

https://threadiverse.link/anarchist.nexus/c/yepowertrippinbastards/p/598026/lw-banned-me-and-defederated-an-over-murder-all-zionists-in-my-display-name

I think the admins should get over it. Defederating anyone with opposing views is not helping anyone. I especially don't expect this from World. This is not a real threat and you know it.

What action will be taken against rogue admins on world?

We are still discussing this matter, but there is currently no point in keeping anarchist.nexus defederated while lemmy.dbzer0.com is federated

This honestly reads like a threat of escalation more than anything else

Ash to ash

Dust to dust

The Fediverse is becoming a beautiful example of why the best theories aren’t necessarily working out in practice, when human ego gets involved.

Let’s hope the devs and admins become more mature as their Fediverse grows

Do you think they'd be calling for that if so many moderators of .world didn't seem to defend and support fascism? What do you think the rest of us think? Cuz I'll give you a hint, being an anti-fascist doesn't mean I think we should have tea with them.