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Framework announced the Framework 13 Pro with full Linux compatibility from the Start (frame.work)
submitted 3 weeks ago by sakphul@discuss.tchncs.de to c/linux@lemmy.ml
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Framework announced the Framework 13 Pro including full Linux support right from the beginning.

Some quick information about the Device:

  • will use Intel Core Ultra 300 (Panther-Lake)
  • updated Battery Design with (up to) 20h Battery life
  • custom designed Display Panel with Touch support (keeping the 3:2 aspect ratio)
  • LPCAMM2 for upgradable/replacable RAM without compromising on Speed/Low Power of LPDDR5X
  • milled Aluminium Unibody chassis
  • Full Linux support right from the start (including Firmware update via LVFS, Fingerprint Reader, etc.)
  • Haptic Touchpad
  • and all the repairability features Framework is known for

You can watch their YouTube Video for a quick summary:

I was looking for a new laptop to replace my old Lenovo Yoga 370 and initially disregarded the Framework 13 because of some downsides (low Battery Life, bad Camera, etc.) and was looking to go with one of the following devices:

  • HP Elitebook X g1a
  • the new Dell XPS 14
  • Asus Expertbook PM5 G2

or also a MacBook pro. I am using Linux since more then 10 years and never touched MacOS at all. So I was not sure if MacOS would work for me. But this announcement made it easy: It will be a Framework 13 Pro with Intel X7 358H!

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[–] dis_da_mor@anarchist.nexus 88 points 3 weeks ago (11 children)

this looks cool, but i have a note for those willing to stop using their working but more proprietary devices to get this instead.

while this is more repairable and upgradable than most currently popular laptops, you shouldn't upgrade if you don't need to. if your device works, and you can live with the missed performance and other features, don't condemn it to the e-waste bin, where it will most likely not be efficiently disposed of nor recycled, and add to the at least 62 million tonnes of yearly e-waste that is also processed by socially vulnerable people (including children) in economically disadvantaged nations.

if you don't have to waste it, don't. reduce.

[–] Stitch0815@feddit.org 17 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Reduce

Reuse

Recycle

And in that order

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[–] scott@lem.free.as 15 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

They could put it on eBay. Win-win?

[–] jaypatelani@lemmy.ml 10 points 3 weeks ago

Or donate to NetBSD foundation. NetBSD tends to keep old hardware alive.

[–] dis_da_mor@anarchist.nexus 8 points 3 weeks ago

giving it to someone else is good too

[–] kittenzrulz123@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 3 weeks ago

Ofc if you want to throw away your old laptop you should give it to me instead :3

Unironicaly though there should be a mass program where old PC parts and tech are donated from people who don't want it to people who do (for example an old laptop that a retro collector might want or a broken laptop someone else might be willing to fix)

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[–] MissesAutumnRains@lemmy.blahaj.zone 59 points 3 weeks ago (21 children)

This is really cool, I hope they end up taking off. I wish there was something similar to this in the EU. I'd be very interested in a laptop I can upgrade over time.

[–] mitram@sopuli.xyz 35 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

They are sold in Europe, no need to wait!

[–] MissesAutumnRains@lemmy.blahaj.zone 45 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

I appreciate the heads up, but I'm trying to buy from EU if I can.

[–] mitram@sopuli.xyz 21 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Ah then your comment makes sense. In Europe the closest we have are the Linux laptops from Tuxedo, which I've heard are pretty repairable, but not really upgradeable.

[–] MissesAutumnRains@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Tuxedo is actually who I'm probably going to end up going with. Repairability is a must, upgrading I'm okay with being a "nice to have" for now. My fingers are crossed for something during the next upgrade cycle, though!

[–] Wfh@lemmy.zip 19 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Tuxedo (and most of "European" and/or "Linux" brands like Slimbook, XMG/Schenker etc.) are rebranded Tongfang or Clevo laptops though. They are neither designed nor made in Europe.

[–] MissesAutumnRains@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (2 children)

Right, but if I spend money at an EU business, it doesn't go away and might expand to design or make their own computers, or it might move the needle by showing a stronger interest in EU companies that allows for a company that does design parts in the EU to take that space.

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[–] iopq@lemmy.world 6 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Europe doesn't make RAM, or processors or WiFi chips. Why do you want a European dude assemble parts for you?

[–] MissesAutumnRains@lemmy.blahaj.zone 16 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Because I would rather pay a European company over an American company where possible for similarly valued products. By supporting a company here, I am hopefully contributing to an expanding market here.

[–] iglou@programming.dev 7 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I am of the same opinion, but when it comes to laptops, I'd rather go for an american company that cares about repairability, sustainability, and genuinely good laptops than a EU company without those values. It's not all black and white, and this is a clear case where paying a US company is one of the better choices.

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[–] Dave@lemmy.nz 10 points 3 weeks ago (7 children)

Framework sells DIY kits so the European dude assembling the laptop could be himself!

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[–] wewbull@feddit.uk 19 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (3 children)

I think framework are worthy of support even though the company is American.

  1. Regardless of who you buy from... Manufacture including assembly is done in east Asia. That's where most of your money is going.
  2. Framework are not tech giants. They're a small company battling giants.
  3. The ethos of ownership, repair and upgrade needs supporting.
  4. They've been following through on their promises.

So yes, I'm not buying US goods as much as I can also. I make an exception for Framework. They're the resistance in an occupied nation.

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[–] sunstoned@lemmus.org 17 points 3 weeks ago

I propose a little cultural exchange. I'm sure Framework and Fairphone could stand to do a little cross pollination.

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[–] pachrist@lemmy.world 29 points 3 weeks ago (9 children)

I love my original Framework running Fedora, but in order to compete with MacOS, Windows and Linux need to figure out standby battery usage without hard shutting down after each use. Otherwise, the size of the battery is not pointless, but pretty close.

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[–] heythatsprettygood@feddit.uk 15 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

This is quite an impressive launch from Framework. Even with the high RAM and storage prices, it is still cost competitive with an equivalent MacBook Pro (my yardstick for mid-high end laptops), but with a fully open design you can run Linux on without any virtual machines, and with (claimed) nearly equal battery life. I am somewhat disappointed though by that display, in my opinion touch is not as worthwhile compared to a display with local dimming (OLED/Mini LED).

[–] hereiamagain@sh.itjust.works 7 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

You shouldn't buy based on promises or assumptions. But if I had to guess, I'd say an OLED panel may come eventually. And it would likely be backwards compatible.

Original FW13 owners already had the original glossy panel, then the new matte higher resolution panel came out as a drop in replacement, and now this new touch panel is also a drop in replacement.

I already have a FW13 with the matte high res panel, I won't be going to touch panel. But maybe if they do an OLED I'd jump to it.

My plan is not to upgrade unless I need to. If something breaks, it'll get the newest version of whatever that thing is.

Unless I feel hampered by my 7040u in 3 or 4 years, then maybe I'll do something about it? But I really don't need that much horsepower in my life.

I'm just glad I have the option. And happy to support a company giving me the option.

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[–] Wfh@lemmy.zip 12 points 3 weeks ago (11 children)

Man I was really hoping for a haptic touchpad compatible with the current input cover... At least they kept the Pro input cover compatible with the regular chassis, although it's a very pricey upgrade.

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[–] mazzilius_marsti@lemmy.world 8 points 3 weeks ago (5 children)

good battery life is nice, but does Linux's bibernation or suspend work reliably on this? Asking because coming from Lenovo, the power performance is not a problem but it is the power management. Unless I am on a Window version specifically for that Lenovo laptop or I am on a Mac, there is always that 10% chance the laptop will fail to suspend properly.

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[–] carotte@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 3 weeks ago (11 children)

they still finance fascists btw

[–] panda_abyss@lemmy.ca 9 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

EDIT: You can safely ignore most of what I wrote. Rails World is the DHH Rails conference (I am not a rails person) that they sponsor.

I can't figure out if this is true or not.

They did sponsor Omarchy, and they do still list on their linux support page that they seed hardware to Omarchy, but on their official list of sponsorships (included in the spoiler/hidden block so as not to spam/monopolize the thread) they do not list Omarchy.

So I don't know what the current situation is, but it does appear they're distancing themselves from it a bit. They last posted on Bluesky about Omarchy 8 months ago (about when the scandals happened).

Actually: in writing this I realized that Hyprland is also problematic, or maybe they're not anymore, but they are listed in their sponsorships. So I don't actually know what that means.

https://frame.work/ca/en/blog/framework-sponsorships

Full List of Sponsorships, Mar 25, 2026

Organization/Event Type Sponsorship amount
Los Altos Hacks IX Monetary + product sponsorship $500
Daydream Hackathon Monetary sponsorship $500
Aeroespacial Association COSMOS at the Rey Juan Carlos University (URJC) Monetary sponsorship 3x units
Open Hardware Summit hosted by Open Source Hardware Association Monetary sponsorship $500
DebConf Monetary sponsorship €2,000
NixCon Product sponsorship 1x unit
KDE Akademy Monetary sponsorship €2,000
Labscon 2025 Product sponsorship 3x units
SemiTO-V (University Team) Monetary sponsorship €500
RISC-V International Product sponsorship 2x units
Nerdearla Monetary sponsorship €800
Linux Fest Northwest Monetary sponsorship + event booth $500
Open Source Summit North America and Open Source Summit Europe hosted by Linux Foundation Monetary sponsorship + event booth $20,000
COSCUP Monetary sponsorship + event booth $6,000
Texas Linux Fest - hosted by Texas Linux Festival (TXLF) Monetary sponsorship + event booth $2,500
Hackaday Supercon Monetary sponsorship + event booth $30,000
Rails World Monetary sponsorship + event booth €24,000
Hack Club Facilitated donation $87,000
Linux Foundation Monetary sponsorship $5,000/year
Hyprland Monetary sponsorship €7,200/year
LVFS Monetary sponsorship $10,000/year
Arch Linux Monetary sponsorship $5,000/year
Debian Monetary sponsorship $5,000/year
CachyOS Monetary sponsorship $3,000/year
Bazzite Monetary sponsorship $3,000/year
NixOS Monetary sponsorship €2592/year
FreeBSD Monetary sponsorship $5,000/year
NetBSD Monetary sponsorship $2,500/year
KDE Monetary sponsorship €10,000/year
[–] carotte@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

wether they still support omarchy or not is kinda irrelevant because rails world (which is in your list) is run by the same guy

[–] SatyrSack@quokk.au 9 points 3 weeks ago

Why might Framework want to sponsor Rails World? Everything else in that list makes sense to me, as they are software projects that can have a direct effect on a user's experience witn Framework hardware. But Rails World is all about a web development framework, right? That is like, three degrees of separation from Framework hardware. Donating to Rails World sounds to me like just a roundabout way to keep donating to Omarchy without having to say "we are donating to Omarchy".

[–] panda_abyss@lemmy.ca 8 points 3 weeks ago

I did not know that, updated my comment accordingly

[–] Feathercrown@lemmy.world 6 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Do the organizations run by that guy further fascist goals, or is the issue that they are led by a fascist?

[–] PabloSexcrowbar@piefed.social 11 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

On this site, they are one and the same. Judging from the website, though, it's just a conference about Ruby on Rails.

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[–] Yttra@lemmy.world 6 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

Is there a better option for a modular laptop with good Linux support?

[–] nixfreak@sopuli.xyz 9 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Yeah , Lenovo and I think Dell are both coming out with modular laptop. Or get a MNT especially if you’re in E.U. https://shop.mntre.com/

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[–] carotte@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

to my knowledge no one else really does the upgradeable main board and swappable i/o things… but for repairable and upgradeable linux laptops, I’ve heard good things about tuxedo, slimbook and system76, maybe you could find something good there

then of course there’s always the ol’ reliable Used Thinkpad, which could be better long-term because you’ll certainly find more second-hand pieces for those laptops than for the niche linux manufacturers

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[–] galaxy_nova@lemmy.world 7 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

Well, not as powerful as my m5 pro macbook, but incredibly compelling. Should macOS/apple piss me off sufficiently I’m glad to know I have a good option to move to although it seems I’d be missing out on hdr? It’s frustrating that the framework feels like such a me coded device and I love Linux but there’s stuff I use/like about macOS that I can’t quite replicate just yet. I hope framework really does takeoff, would love one of these as my work issued machine instead of shitty dell laptops someday.

[–] BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world 32 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

If bribing a fascist president with a literal gold bar, refusing to comply with EU law and then complying maliciously years later, global tax dodging, and anti-competitive behavior isn’t enough to piss you off sufficiently, I’m not sure what will.

When the Motorola Graphene phones are available, I’m dumping my iPhone, which is my last Apple device.

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