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This is really cool, I hope they end up taking off. I wish there was something similar to this in the EU. I'd be very interested in a laptop I can upgrade over time.
They are sold in Europe, no need to wait!
I appreciate the heads up, but I'm trying to buy from EU if I can.
Ah then your comment makes sense. In Europe the closest we have are the Linux laptops from Tuxedo, which I've heard are pretty repairable, but not really upgradeable.
Tuxedo is actually who I'm probably going to end up going with. Repairability is a must, upgrading I'm okay with being a "nice to have" for now. My fingers are crossed for something during the next upgrade cycle, though!
Tuxedo (and most of "European" and/or "Linux" brands like Slimbook, XMG/Schenker etc.) are rebranded Tongfang or Clevo laptops though. They are neither designed nor made in Europe.
Right, but if I spend money at an EU business, it doesn't go away and might expand to design or make their own computers, or it might move the needle by showing a stronger interest in EU companies that allows for a company that does design parts in the EU to take that space.
Europe doesn't make RAM, or processors or WiFi chips. Why do you want a European dude assemble parts for you?
Because I would rather pay a European company over an American company where possible for similarly valued products. By supporting a company here, I am hopefully contributing to an expanding market here.
I am of the same opinion, but when it comes to laptops, I'd rather go for an american company that cares about repairability, sustainability, and genuinely good laptops than a EU company without those values. It's not all black and white, and this is a clear case where paying a US company is one of the better choices.
Framework sells DIY kits so the European dude assembling the laptop could be himself!
I think framework are worthy of support even though the company is American.
- Regardless of who you buy from... Manufacture including assembly is done in east Asia. That's where most of your money is going.
- Framework are not tech giants. They're a small company battling giants.
- The ethos of ownership, repair and upgrade needs supporting.
- They've been following through on their promises.
So yes, I'm not buying US goods as much as I can also. I make an exception for Framework. They're the resistance in an occupied nation.
I propose a little cultural exchange. I'm sure Framework and Fairphone could stand to do a little cross pollination.
I love my original Framework running Fedora, but in order to compete with MacOS, Windows and Linux need to figure out standby battery usage without hard shutting down after each use. Otherwise, the size of the battery is not pointless, but pretty close.
This is quite an impressive launch from Framework. Even with the high RAM and storage prices, it is still cost competitive with an equivalent MacBook Pro (my yardstick for mid-high end laptops), but with a fully open design you can run Linux on without any virtual machines, and with (claimed) nearly equal battery life. I am somewhat disappointed though by that display, in my opinion touch is not as worthwhile compared to a display with local dimming (OLED/Mini LED).
You shouldn't buy based on promises or assumptions. But if I had to guess, I'd say an OLED panel may come eventually. And it would likely be backwards compatible.
Original FW13 owners already had the original glossy panel, then the new matte higher resolution panel came out as a drop in replacement, and now this new touch panel is also a drop in replacement.
I already have a FW13 with the matte high res panel, I won't be going to touch panel. But maybe if they do an OLED I'd jump to it.
My plan is not to upgrade unless I need to. If something breaks, it'll get the newest version of whatever that thing is.
Unless I feel hampered by my 7040u in 3 or 4 years, then maybe I'll do something about it? But I really don't need that much horsepower in my life.
I'm just glad I have the option. And happy to support a company giving me the option.
Man I was really hoping for a haptic touchpad compatible with the current input cover... At least they kept the Pro input cover compatible with the regular chassis, although it's a very pricey upgrade.
they still finance fascists btw
EDIT: You can safely ignore most of what I wrote. Rails World is the DHH Rails conference (I am not a rails person) that they sponsor.
I can't figure out if this is true or not.
They did sponsor Omarchy, and they do still list on their linux support page that they seed hardware to Omarchy, but on their official list of sponsorships (included in the spoiler/hidden block so as not to spam/monopolize the thread) they do not list Omarchy.
So I don't know what the current situation is, but it does appear they're distancing themselves from it a bit. They last posted on Bluesky about Omarchy 8 months ago (about when the scandals happened).
Actually: in writing this I realized that Hyprland is also problematic, or maybe they're not anymore, but they are listed in their sponsorships. So I don't actually know what that means.
https://frame.work/ca/en/blog/framework-sponsorships
Full List of Sponsorships, Mar 25, 2026
| Organization/Event | Type | Sponsorship amount |
|---|---|---|
| Los Altos Hacks IX | Monetary + product sponsorship | $500 |
| Daydream Hackathon | Monetary sponsorship | $500 |
| Aeroespacial Association COSMOS at the Rey Juan Carlos University (URJC) | Monetary sponsorship | 3x units |
| Open Hardware Summit hosted by Open Source Hardware Association | Monetary sponsorship | $500 |
| DebConf | Monetary sponsorship | €2,000 |
| NixCon | Product sponsorship | 1x unit |
| KDE Akademy | Monetary sponsorship | €2,000 |
| Labscon 2025 | Product sponsorship | 3x units |
| SemiTO-V (University Team) | Monetary sponsorship | €500 |
| RISC-V International | Product sponsorship | 2x units |
| Nerdearla | Monetary sponsorship | €800 |
| Linux Fest Northwest | Monetary sponsorship + event booth | $500 |
| Open Source Summit North America and Open Source Summit Europe hosted by Linux Foundation | Monetary sponsorship + event booth | $20,000 |
| COSCUP | Monetary sponsorship + event booth | $6,000 |
| Texas Linux Fest - hosted by Texas Linux Festival (TXLF) | Monetary sponsorship + event booth | $2,500 |
| Hackaday Supercon | Monetary sponsorship + event booth | $30,000 |
| Rails World | Monetary sponsorship + event booth | €24,000 |
| Hack Club | Facilitated donation | $87,000 |
| Linux Foundation | Monetary sponsorship | $5,000/year |
| Hyprland | Monetary sponsorship | €7,200/year |
| LVFS | Monetary sponsorship | $10,000/year |
| Arch Linux | Monetary sponsorship | $5,000/year |
| Debian | Monetary sponsorship | $5,000/year |
| CachyOS | Monetary sponsorship | $3,000/year |
| Bazzite | Monetary sponsorship | $3,000/year |
| NixOS | Monetary sponsorship | €2592/year |
| FreeBSD | Monetary sponsorship | $5,000/year |
| NetBSD | Monetary sponsorship | $2,500/year |
| KDE | Monetary sponsorship | €10,000/year |
wether they still support omarchy or not is kinda irrelevant because rails world (which is in your list) is run by the same guy
Why might Framework want to sponsor Rails World? Everything else in that list makes sense to me, as they are software projects that can have a direct effect on a user's experience witn Framework hardware. But Rails World is all about a web development framework, right? That is like, three degrees of separation from Framework hardware. Donating to Rails World sounds to me like just a roundabout way to keep donating to Omarchy without having to say "we are donating to Omarchy".
I did not know that, updated my comment accordingly
Do the organizations run by that guy further fascist goals, or is the issue that they are led by a fascist?
On this site, they are one and the same. Judging from the website, though, it's just a conference about Ruby on Rails.
Is there a better option for a modular laptop with good Linux support?
Yeah , Lenovo and I think Dell are both coming out with modular laptop. Or get a MNT especially if you’re in E.U. https://shop.mntre.com/
to my knowledge no one else really does the upgradeable main board and swappable i/o things… but for repairable and upgradeable linux laptops, I’ve heard good things about tuxedo, slimbook and system76, maybe you could find something good there
then of course there’s always the ol’ reliable Used Thinkpad, which could be better long-term because you’ll certainly find more second-hand pieces for those laptops than for the niche linux manufacturers
good battery life is nice, but does Linux's bibernation or suspend work reliably on this? Asking because coming from Lenovo, the power performance is not a problem but it is the power management. Unless I am on a Window version specifically for that Lenovo laptop or I am on a Mac, there is always that 10% chance the laptop will fail to suspend properly.
Well, not as powerful as my m5 pro macbook, but incredibly compelling. Should macOS/apple piss me off sufficiently I’m glad to know I have a good option to move to although it seems I’d be missing out on hdr? It’s frustrating that the framework feels like such a me coded device and I love Linux but there’s stuff I use/like about macOS that I can’t quite replicate just yet. I hope framework really does takeoff, would love one of these as my work issued machine instead of shitty dell laptops someday.
If bribing a fascist president with a literal gold bar, refusing to comply with EU law and then complying maliciously years later, global tax dodging, and anti-competitive behavior isn’t enough to piss you off sufficiently, I’m not sure what will.
When the Motorola Graphene phones are available, I’m dumping my iPhone, which is my last Apple device.