People on this website are so fucking negative. Nothing is going to happen until 8 PM so go outside, touch grass, and stop stewing in negativity. Think about how we, as the very small organized left can best counter this. No, ANSWER and PSL are not a psyop. No, protesting tomorrow is not a waste of time — we need to build the anti war movement in the US. Yes, Americans are brain dead and initial protests against the war against Iran fizzled out. Yes, as revolutionaries, as cadre, as leftists we need to meet people where they are and shove them left. Grow the fuck up and take action. You people are the reason that high school students are leading the leftist movement in many cities, bitterness, doomerism and perfectionism gets us nowhere. Go outside and organize, I don’t care how, I don’t care if it’s with the national call to action but do anything other than splitscreening Telegram and Hexbear for hours at a time

[–] Dr_Pepper@hexbear.net 1 points 19 minutes ago

Thank you. There were a couple of responses I almost crashed out on with this post.

[–] blunder@hexbear.net 11 points 3 hours ago

Best post on this site

[–] soybeanis@hexbear.net 6 points 3 hours ago

nomination for new tagline

[–] FettermansFinalStroke@hexbear.net 14 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Upon rereading this post I conclude that that was an unhinged rant. I stand by what I said though

[–] nothx@hexbear.net 8 points 1 hour ago

Yeah stand by it, because you aren't wrong at all. I misfired a comment about it being a psyop and realized how shortsighted it was when some other commenters pointed out the specific organizations involved. I should do better.

I appreciate the levelheaded perspective even in rant form.

[–] LaBellaLotta@hexbear.net 13 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

The negativity in this thread is wild

[–] RedWizard@hexbear.net 12 points 3 hours ago

Yeah I don't get it. Grass touching is good. This is a good reason to touch grass.

[–] BarrelsBallot@lemmygrad.ml 12 points 6 hours ago (4 children)

God the posters on the website are all only how this negatively affects americans, is it Fedposting if I call for violence against left liberals?

[–] RedWizard@hexbear.net 16 points 4 hours ago

Yeah but Americans are incredibly stunted politically. Its like putting cheese around the deworming pill, its the only way the old dog is going to eat it.

[–] Sulvy@hexbear.net 16 points 4 hours ago

I think using domestic issues to convince liberals that war and genocide are bad is fine. You have to reach people where they’re at.

[–] jack@hexbear.net 4 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

That's a lie. If anybody believes this, you should go look at the website:

[–] BarrelsBallot@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

They had to add in "using our tax dollars" to make Americans care lol, even when actual victims are mentioned consequences for U.S citizens remain the focus, get real.

[–] jack@hexbear.net 5 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

the posters on the website are all only how this negatively affects americans

Huh huh huh

Were the 168 school girls American (underlined for focus) or were they not negatively affected?

Or is it your belief that you actually should never mention that imperialism also has negative effects at home? That's not even left liberal, that's right liberal.

[–] BarrelsBallot@lemmygrad.ml 0 points 2 hours ago (2 children)

My point is that of the average messaging amongst the total posters, the emphasis is on how it negatively affects Americans, if you want to call me a liar because I said "all" instead of "most", and there happens to be a poster or two that mentions actual victims but ultimately circles back to Americans, go ahead.

I have no problem with the mention of "how imperialism also has negative effects at home". Like other replies rightly pointed out, it's an attempt to meet Americans where they're at.

But is it not pathetic that ~~all~~ sorry- most domestic "leftist" political campaigns have to lead with "how imperialism also has negative effects at home"? A significant amount of the posters on that site emphasize that this war only benefits the wealthy, as if it'd somehow be more just should the average U.S citizen enjoy the spoils instead.

[–] BeanisBrain@hexbear.net 2 points 45 minutes ago

But is it not pathetic that ~~all~~ sorry- most domestic "leftist" political campaigns have to lead with "how imperialism also has negative effects at home"?

When agitating amongst a population you have to speak to their material interests

[–] jack@hexbear.net 5 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

I called you a liar because you lied and used that lie to call for violence against literally the only people organizing against the war in the US.

But is it not pathetic that all sorry- most domestic "leftist" political campaigns have to lead with "how imperialism also has negative effects at home"?

Do you have one single example of a revolution that wasn't primarily concerned about what was happening at home? Call it pathetic, but there has never in human history been a revolution just because of what was happening 'over there'.

A significant amount of the posters on that site emphasize that this war only benefits the wealthy, as if it'd somehow be more just should the average U.S citizen enjoy the spoils instead.

Or just an extremely straightforward explanation of the Leninist understanding of imperialism. When he said monopoly capital caused the war for their own gain, was it because he wanted three Russian workers and peasants to get the spoils?

[–] BarrelsBallot@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 1 hour ago

I made no lies or serious calls for violence, c'mon. You're more upset that I called out another toothless, dead-end effort by the left adjacent in the U.S.

My other comments were in regards to the electoral efforts in the U.S. These have nothing to do with revolution and will not lead to one.

If you disagree just move on.

[–] BountifulEggnog@hexbear.net 13 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

I thought you were talking about this website for a hot minute

[–] BarrelsBallot@lemmygrad.ml 9 points 5 hours ago

No but you might be on to something...

[–] nothx@hexbear.net 4 points 5 hours ago (2 children)

Psyop ass website

[–] RedWizard@hexbear.net 20 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

I guess the PSL is a psyop then. Answer Coalition's national director is the Co-Founder of the PSL.

[–] nothx@hexbear.net 3 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

No, definitely not what I was intending to say. I didn't know that, so thanks for putting me in check.

[–] RedWizard@hexbear.net 4 points 1 hour ago

Its all good. Thanks for listening!

[–] Coolkidbozzy@hexbear.net 14 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

the ANSWER Coalition is PSL's protest umbrella group

[–] nothx@hexbear.net 3 points 2 hours ago

Fair enough, I didn't realize that.

[–] AOCapitulator@hexbear.net 25 points 8 hours ago (3 children)

Cool cool cool schedule the protest for the day after the "tonight" in the "civilization will die tonight"

How much do the commemorative buttons cost, can I get a beer cozy too?

[–] darkcalling@hexbear.net 9 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

Realistically no amount of protests or even outright violent riots that pop up on short notice in response to a tweet are likely to dissuade Trump's course of action in the short time remaining. He's living in an info bubble for one so most likely he'd just see limited amount of violence on Fox called "Iranian agents cause chaos in last ditch attempt to stop Trump" without understanding anything of the scale or breadth of it. For another short notice protests are smaller than bigger ones. An emergency protest attended by all American cadres and a handful of liberals will do even less of a nothing than a big set-up protest that has time to gather a greater participation rate. Feeling good about yourself by setting up an immediate protest is not important. It's not that Trump will see it and reconsider, that won't happen, so it's about materially getting as many people together as you can on a short notice and unfortunately Trump was not kind enough to tell us he'd do this days ago so he and the empire have the element of timing on their side.

So no matter what we were looking at a post-event protest which is bad but let's be honest Americans are a lost cause who care mainly about themselves and if Trump were to nuke Iran and gas prices dropped in two weeks most Americans would shrug indifferently, say they disagree with the methods but like the result and life would continue on in the empire. Fact is Americans should have been mobilizing en mass since the start of the war on Iran but they haven't. Trump lives in an info bubble and doesn't know, doesn't care anything not fed to him by his advisors and sees things only through that lens. Nixon at least saw the protestors and knew what they were upset about and who they were (not foreign agents, not smuggled in commies but angry Americans), Trump doesn't even know that, I think he really believes his advisors when they tell him they're all paid undocumented immigrants sent by Soros and China.

[–] ThermonuclearHoxha@hexbear.net 7 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

But it's already April 8th in Beijing time smuglord

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[–] Dr_Pepper@hexbear.net 4 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

The site doesn't load for me.

[–] RedWizard@hexbear.net 3 points 4 hours ago

Strange. You on a VPN? Working for me on Mullvad.