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Do these stories change minds, or are conservatives such masters of cognitive dissonance that nothing at all will cause them to defect from their in-group?
Cognitive dissonance isn’t a skill, it’s a bias. Generally the way it goes is that the worse things get, the tighter people hold on to their existing belief.
Think about it like this: people living in a prehistoric village are suffering from a famine. Under a lot of stress, people start arguing with each other about what the group should be doing. One person is suffering from cognitive dissonance because they believe the group has the wrong idea. Now, should that person abandon the group and go off on their own? Or should they stick it out and just try to survive?
Evolution favours sticking with the group. Hence cognitive dissonance resolves into status quo bias. Now you might say we’re no longer in that sort of situation. That doesn’t matter actually, because our brains are basically the same as they were 10,000 years ago! We have all the same biases, it’s our environment that has changed so much.
So why is it different for you or me? Simple. We’re part of different groups than they are.
Well, yes. The only things that change people's minds are peer pressure and horrific trauma. People generally believe what their trusted in-group folks believe. And given how many stories there've been like "my family was abducted by ice and i spent a month in jail, but i'd still support trump" I'm not sure about trauma.
One difference that sets maga types apart is their "in-group" is overflowing with liars, fools, and other scumbags. Healthier people consider better people to be in-group.
I have seen many posts on X (Twitter) like this one, and after reading the comments, I can confirm that the latter is true. It truly seems to me that conservatives are incapable of empathy.
they have an alternate algorithm. when news like this come up, they perceive it as negative and it impacts whatever engagement they have. Similar to how we start to tune out of stuff that make us upset.
They went all in on and are double downing on "fake news" because they identify with their leader all too well.
edit: the jubilee videos are a good example of how they'll rush to debate a "lib", but they all can't agree with each other's facts its insane.
1st the Latinos came for our jobs, now they have come for our soldiers!
And there are both lazy and don't work, and have also simultaneously taken all the jobs.
They never hear about it. And if they do, they assume she did something to antagonize ice and it was his fault for not "controlling his woman".
And all the heroic men and women in The God Blessed United States Military will just talk about how this troubles them but they serve the flag, not the rapist giving them orders and that if people don't start properly respecting them then they don't see a reason to care.
What a shame. He looks filled with hope for the future and crayons for lunch.
I understand the confusion, but this is an Army sergeant, not a Marine.
Looks like it's a whole box for me!
This isn't how you build morale for a ground war in a foreign nation.
Is morale lethality? No? Then it can go get fucked with logistics and strategy. Fucking nerd.
If you were to ask for the personification of “The beatings will continue until morale improves” I’m not sure you could do much better than Pete’s dumbass face.
Send ICE to the Middle East. Their budget is big enough.
Or stop endangering Iranians and have Americans get off their arses and stop ICE themselves.
Why the fuck should Iran have to be the ones to shoot at ICE or any other of the evil empires thugs.
I’m not advocating for Iran solving US made problems but the Iranian army would make almost immediate work of the folks that make up ICE. They are an organized, trained, professional military, ICE is mostly made up of insecure assholes that trained themselves, at best a bunch of cops or former cops. They would get smoked.
Again I dont want this to happen nor do I think Iran should clean up my home country’s mess, but I do think it would be really really funny to watch those fucks realize what actual war is all about
have Americans get off their arses and stop ICE themselves
I'm reminded of folks who thought kids doing human wave attacks would be a good deterrent to school shooters.
There are only about 20,000 ICE agents, even if you only count Democrat voters in 2024 ICE is outnumbered 1:3750.
if you only count Democrat voters
Cuomocrats? Newsom Lovers? Rahm Emmanuel die-hards? That's your ticket our of this mess?
Yea clearly the solution is to offload the work onto other nations.
I would say that the Prince of Saud and the Prime Minister of the UK have significantly more influence over the behaviors of the US Federal Government than some random ditch-kicking voter in Peoria.
Hell, I'm cheering and clapping like a trained seal for the brave freedom-fighting IRGC right now. They've spent the last 40 years arming themselves and training to resist the full might of the US military. I have not.
You’re cheering for innocent people to die for your mess?
I’m cheering for the death of Americans because they’ve shown themselves to be spineless Nazi enablers.
your mess?
My mess? I'm sure a serf working the land, sire. You need to speak to the Lord of the Manor about yonder grievance.
But careful what you say. My lord's fiery temper has seen men hung for a triffle.
I’m cheering for the death of Americans
Well, joke's on you. Most of those fucks have been on rotation so long they've forgotten what America looks like.
Look, we all want to see americans die. Thats what matters. Why try to divide ourselves about why?
I don’t particularly want to see them die, I want to see them stop killing others.
Oh so you just want cultural genocide?
I just want them to grow up and sort out their own mess instead of killing everyone else.
They've spent the last 40 years arming themselves and training to resist the full might of the US military. I have not.
Slacker!
Have you considered the people doing this are fucking idiots?
Sure it is. Gotta let the troops know what they're fighting for.
I always think of that one tweet. I'll serve crack before I serve this country.
I always thought that a small part of the reason that we, as a nation, try to respect our military and veterans is that it's a bad idea to train people to be good at killing other people, and then to antagonize them.
The higher ups wouldn't want to create a situation where they might become a target. But lately it seems like the civilian government has become much more abusive to the military and veterans. It's so foolish.
It's like training Batman and then constantly trying to piss him off by attacking his city and family.
"Total institutionalization."
I’ve met multiple people who married immigrants who overstayed their visa and had to deport for something like 5-10 years before being let into the US.
The citizen doesn’t need to leave obviously, but in the multiple cases I’ve personally known dating back to the 90s, the partner leaves the country to be with them until they can come back.
This is however not how it works if you marry someone here on a legitimate visa. Generally after marrying within the timeline of a visa before it expires you can stay with the citizen. My wife did this, and we just finished the process recently. You still need to get your paperwork in, but there’s some kind of grace period due to the marriage physically in the US along with the petition.
"Are you a bad enough dude to save your wife?"
"Alternatively, are you a bad enough dude to **** the president?"
Nope. Never going to be a bad enough dude to fuck the Mango Mussolini.
Save your wife and defend the constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic.
Despicable. But very naive that she went into the office to try to sort this out in person. Should have sent a lawyer instead. I guess some people don't follow the news very closely.
I follow the news and even I am always a little shocked by this. A few years ago they would have helped her and then touted it as an example of how well we treat our military.
They think that because they voted for trump they're exempt from the consequences they've forced on others.
Well I doubt this woman voted for anyone since she has no legal status.