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cross-posted from: https://hexbear.net/post/5285874

Hi, I'm here to announce that everyone pushing the standard Hexbear party line on the protest movement is a loser and wrong. I already know the weak-ass arguments you're gonna make and every single one of them reveals your disconnection from any actual organizing. Let's go through them one by one. If you have another that you think Marx Failed to Consider, please bring it up and I will explain how you are wrong in that way as well.

This was funded by the Waltons

No, one Walton bought an ad in the NYT. Who fucking cares? It has no material bearing on the movement whatsoever. There's no organization money is being funneled to other than the Democratic Party and Indivisble, which is not different in any way. The on-the-ground organizers in most cities and towns are not receiving a penny from the left's George Soros conspiracy. They're just normal people (and, to the next point, lots of leftists).

The Democrats are using this to steal the leftist energy of the masses

The Democrats certainly want to do that, but on the ground reports indicate they are losing all over the country. That's because leftists (especially PSL) are not leaving this space uncontested. I have spent an enormous amount of time putting in the work to earn the trust and legitimacy necessary to place a bunch of literal revolutionary communists in the leadership of the local movement. Not in some sneaky, behind the scenes way, but out in the open, succeeding specifically because we are literal revolutionary communists who never shut up about it. The Democrats, by my accounting, are losing the struggle in more places than not. If you refuse to engage because you're afraid the Dems will suck your leftist soul, you're just conceding the struggle and granting them victory. They don't co-opt by pressing a button, they co-opt because they have the resources to take leadership and then defuse. So far they have failed to do so specifically because the space is not empty and the communists are fighting harder to reach the masses (since we actually have an appealing program).

The attendees are all Kamala-loving liberals who just want to go back to brunch

If you had ever bothered to go to one of these events and talk politics to people, you'll discover a very broad array of political perspectives, including a strong trend towards explicit support for socialism. Yes, of course, the PMC bug-eating libs are there - who cares? They are by no means the only attendees. Maybe you're just Too Cool to be around someone who reminds you of your mom, but the rest of us are finding deep political discontent and activating it. When one of my comrades gets on the mic and says "we need to break from the democrats and do a literal socialist revolution", the crowd response, by and large, is incredibly positive. The retired dentists and accountants in the crowd grumble and whine, but they are a minority - and they don't leave. They stay and listen to the arguments we make. They say things like "you're right, I just don't think it's possible". They very, very rarely say "you're going too far".

This is a disorganized mess that's going to fizzle out

50501 and other decentralized spontaneous protest movements never last, but they do give an opportunity for dedicated political organizers to intervene on a stage where thousands of disaffected liberals and Democrat voters are asking "what is to be done?". If you decide not to show up and answer that question, the Democrat machine will coordinate the demobilization of this movement. If you do show up and you deliver the political argument you believe in. If you show up with the AV equipment, safety marshalls, march route, signs, and speaker list - the bare minimum for a halfway serious organizer - then you don't just hand out flyers and talk at a table but set the entire political line of the event. And in doing so, you demonstrate the leadership of the socialist movement and win a lot of those attendees to your side. If you can plug them into actual organizing work, you can bring them into permanent political motion. Does it matter if 95% of these people just go home and never bother to do anything besides another protest? If those 5% join the movement in a meaningful way, that's half a million new comrades.

Mao says: "All work done for the masses must start from their needs and not from the desire of any individual, however well-intentioned. It often happens that objectively the masses need a certain change, but subjectively they are not yet conscious of the need, not yet willing or determined to make the change. In such cases, we should wait patiently. We should not make the change until, through our work, most of the masses have become conscious of the need and are willing and determined to carry it out. Otherwise we shall isolate ourselves from the masses. Unless they are conscious and willing, any kind of work that requires their participation will turn out to be a mere formality and will fail."

Stop thinking about what you want to do and achieve and start thinking about the fact that we needs tens of millions of people to support revolutionary socialism in the US in order to get anything done. They are out in the streets begging for you to explain this to them.

These are just peaceful protests that won't achieve anything because they aren't revolutionary.

Lenin says: "What grounds are there for assuming that the “great, victorious, world” revolution can and must employ only revolutionary methods? There are none at all. The assumption is a pure fallacy; this can be proved by purely theoretical propositions if we stick to Marxism. The experience of our revolution also shows that it is a fallacy. From the theoretical point of view—foolish things are done in time of revolution just as at any other time, said Engels, and he was right. We must try to do as few foolish things as possible, and rectify those that are done as quickly as possible, and we must, as soberly as we can, estimate which problems can be solved by revolutionary methods at any given time and which cannot."

You're doing the ultra-leftism of conflating tactics with strategy. Our tactic in this moment is to intervene in these protests to convince people of the necessity of a revolutionary socialist political organization as the only solution to our sick society. Right now, mass revolutionary socialist consciousness and organization does not exist in the USA. Therefore, it is impossible to carry out open revolutionary militancy. If the current crop of people who are in some way directly involved in revolutionary socialist organizing (certainly a lower bar than revolutionary guerrilla warfare or sabotage) turned today to armed struggle, all ~100,000 of them would lose. The broader periphery of people who semi-passively support that objective through attendance at events and monetary contribution is probably a few million. The masses who would passively support probably number in the tens of millions, but that passive support is not particularly useful. And the number of people who would simply sit by and watch it happen is probably over 100 million. Every one of those groups needs to be elevated to the next stage - observer to passive supporter, passive supporter to semi-passive periphery, semi-passive periphery to revolutionary organizer, revolutionary organizer to doing the literal revolution. Each of these layers of the movement have a symbiotic relationship with the others that strengthen the entire struggle.

Here's the key lesson: WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH PEOPLE TO WIN VIOLENT STRUGGLE AND YOU NEED TO GO WHERE THE MASSES ARE TO RALLY THEM TO OUR CAUSE.

Amerikkkans will never do a revolution because they are labor aristokkkrauts

Ok, thank you for you contribution, you can resume sitting in a hole since your prescription is inactivity.

Please tell me your other weak-ass reasons why you're correct to sit on your ass.

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[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 2 points 24 minutes ago* (last edited 24 minutes ago)

I don't like the No Kings lib shits but I agree with this post.

I didn't like Occupy either back in the day, but it was certainly part of a series of events of radicalisation and maturation of what the left is today, and these protests will be part of the same, generating an even larger left.

Use them. These are the moments where communists should be working the hardest.

[–] jack@hexbear.net 3 points 50 minutes ago
[–] electric_nan@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 hours ago

Plz share appropriate agitprop flyers.

[–] 30_to_50_Feral_PAWGs@hexbear.net 13 points 2 hours ago

The attendees are all Kamala-loving liberals who just want to go back to brunch

If you had ever bothered to go to one of these events and talk politics to people, you'll discover a very broad array of political perspectives, including a strong trend towards explicit support for socialism. Yes, of course, the PMC bug-eating libs are there - who cares? They are by no means the only attendees. Maybe you're just Too Cool to be around someone who reminds you of your mom, but the rest of us are finding deep political discontent and activating it. When one of my comrades gets on the mic and says "we need to break from the democrats and do a literal socialist revolution", the crowd response, by and large, is incredibly positive. The retired dentists and accountants in the crowd grumble and whine, but they are a minority - and they don't leave. They stay and listen to the arguments we make. They say things like "you're right, I just don't think it's possible". They very, very rarely say "you're going too far".

The Ones Who Walk Away From ~~Omelas~~ Omelets

[–] Euergetes@hexbear.net 8 points 2 hours ago

Yes, of course, the PMC bug-eating libs are there

feel like a grain short of a heap without them black-mold-futures

[–] Biddles@hexbear.net 4 points 1 hour ago

Pin this tbh

[–] SuperZutsuki@hexbear.net 19 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

Unfortunately, the majority of the people organizing my city's event are rich white liberals that are highly transphobic and racist but completely unaware of it because no one has ever challenged them on their bullshit before. They think saying "trans rights" is enough while still seeing trans people as fucked up weirdos deserving of pity, at best. Which is to say: my local people suck but some of us are trying to change that and you should, too. There are a ton of people sick of self-important rich white libs. Get in there and take the reins away from them, never allow allow these losers to control a mass movement.

[–] RedWizard@hexbear.net 2 points 1 hour ago

Just to briefly add on: it is our duty this time around to inject the anti war movement into the anti trump movement. There are so many open ears at these things and we need to make sure we connect Palestine, Venezuela, Iran and Cuba. Despite what some say, there are so many people at these things just begging for more solutions and open to socialism. Some of the most successful events my socialist org has had have come after doing outreach and agitation at No Kings.

[–] Wakmrow@hexbear.net 6 points 3 hours ago (4 children)

You know, I don't really miss xiaohongshu and their doomer opinion about the American left

[–] MarxMadness@hexbear.net 8 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

It's fine to criticize this tactic or that, but defeatism on the scale of "there is no way to build socialism in the U.S." is worse than useless.

Even if you're right, there is no harm in others trying. Sit it out if you think it's hopeless. Actively speaking up to say "you're wasting your time, it's impossible" is indistinguishable from what a fed would do.

And you might be wrong! We're in uncharted territory to a large extent -- what we'd like to see in the U.S. has no historical precedent, especially considering the post-industrial nature of the U.S. economy. Success might come from a place no one here expects.

[–] Wakmrow@hexbear.net 1 points 1 hour ago

Part of it for me is that even if they are right and I concede they might be:

I don't want to hear it.

I'm not interested. I've chosen my course and I will continue to work towards building a movement. I don't care if I don't live to see it and I don't care if it fizzles out because whatever reason it might.

What worked in China might work in the US. It might not. But it is our path to navigate including all of the suffering that will happen to us.

So I don't want to hear it. I understand that we're cowards, that we're not serious enough about theory or vanguardism or organizing or whatever. We're doing what we can with what we have in the imperial core against the most horrifically funded military, police and propaganda in the history of those concepts.

[–] purpleworm@hexbear.net 11 points 2 hours ago (2 children)

XHS was easily one of the most reasonable and informed people on the site.

[–] TreadOnMe@hexbear.net 8 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

Except on their opinion of on the ground leftist politics in the U.S., they were consistently and decisively incorrect on that. For god's sake, they believed that Biden was a political mastermind.

And they were not doomer, that is a gross misunderstanding of their position. They believed that if you are no in a position to perform revolution, you have to perform electoral mitigation. Basically, you have to vote Dem, to stall in order to prepare for when the Republican gets back in. This is nonsense, leftist organizations in the U.S. grow fundamentally weaker with a center-right presidency. The Democrats are very good at their only real job, which is containing the left. Now we have a chance to actually push an agenda, it just means we have to be careful about it, and avoid the news, which means that people like XHS will not even know it is happening.

I will say again, and say it repeatedly. XHS was only correct in terms of the idea that 'Nothing ever happens.' They had several great theories as to why that is, however, we had no actual way of know they were correct, just that the result, nothing happening, was true.

We are now in a period where 'Something might happen' and XHS is nowhere to be seen, likely because of work or school imo, but idk. And if something does happen, that will kill most of their theories, especially in terms of how domestic U.S. politics affects foreign policies.

[–] Wakmrow@hexbear.net 2 points 1 hour ago

Not regarding on the ground organizing on the left in the US.

[–] BobDole@hexbear.net 10 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

What if instead of xiaohongshu it was xiao-honk-shoo and it was just for sleepy heads sleepi

[–] Oskolki@hexbear.net -1 points 2 hours ago

Otherwise we shall isolate ourselves from the masses. Unless they are conscious and willing, any kind of work that requires their participation will turn out to be a mere formality and will fail."

The Vanguard has isolated themselves from you. As per Mao's directive. They shall return when you are ready.