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[–] DupaCycki@lemmy.world 3 points 1 hour ago

Of course they're banning foreign routers. They want all Americans to have only routers with government backdoors. At this point, backdoor-free routers are a threat to 'national security'.

[–] Tja@programming.dev 2 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

Well, duh, they know how easy is to backdoor those things!

[–] cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca 11 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

This is why open source and open hardware is so important.

[–] GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 2 points 1 hour ago

still doesn't stop for supply chain attacks, but still a better alternative to whatever shit they're going to ramrod into "US made" tech.

[–] cmhe@lemmy.world 13 points 5 hours ago

Every accusation of them is an admission of guilt.

So stop buying any US made hardware.

[–] nonentity@sh.itjust.works 25 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

This tells me any equipment that is classified as acceptable by these requirements is immediately suspect, and should not be permitted to connect to, or communicate with, equipment you need to trust.

[–] floquant@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 9 hours ago (1 children)
[–] nonentity@sh.itjust.works 2 points 8 hours ago

I’m well versed in the CALEA capabilities of DOCSIS equipment, hence my comment.

[–] BigTurkeyLove@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago) (1 children)

So like what router should I be using that isn't going to be spying on me? Been feeling it's time for an upgrade my current ASUS router was a higher end model when I bought it but it is like 8 or 9 years old now

[–] quick_snail@feddit.nl 9 points 8 hours ago (2 children)
[–] BigTurkeyLove@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Sorry this article kinda lit a fire under my ass to get a new router, so I've been researching. Was looking into this and it feels like openWRT might be the way for me personally, the simpler and cheaper, while doing all the stuff I need it to do is more appealing to me.

Also thinking about going with a router that has the longe range 802.11ah HaLow 915mhz, I've got a big house and the wifi is bad in one area. I've also been dabbling in the sub ghz meshtastic and meshcore devices and I'm thinking it could be a fun thing to experiment with.

Few videos for reference Sub gHz 802.11ah Halow Wifi https://youtu.be/-soMNhNqEVc

Video that touches on why I think openWRT might be a better fit for me than pfsense or open-ended

https://youtu.be/XGefV0Rf9QQ

Let me know yall's thoughts.

[–] monotremata@lemmy.ca 5 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

I turned off wifi on my router and instead use multiple wifi access points connected to the router by ethernet. It's way easier to get good coverage and speeds that way.

[–] winkerjadams@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 4 hours ago

How did you wire that? Long cables going everywhere?

[–] kif@lemmy.nz 1 points 6 hours ago

Opnsense is great, I run it on a N100 mini pc I got from AliExpress for a couple hundred NZD. Doesn't break a sweat up to 8gbit

[–] CobraChicken3000@lemmy.ca 118 points 16 hours ago (3 children)

It's the US. Anyone surprised?

[–] CosmoNova@lemmy.world 46 points 16 hours ago (3 children)

Well no, they tend to copy a lot from China these days.

[–] Wispy2891@lemmy.world 3 points 3 hours ago

They don't copy the part where they execute billionaires, unfortunately https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2011-07-23/china-executes-14-billionaires-in-8-years-culture-news-reports

Although, if you're an influential billionaire you don't get executed but get disappeared for some time, like jack ma, giving the general feeling that they want to control billionaires and not just get rid of them

[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 22 points 14 hours ago (3 children)
[–] Goferking0@ttrpg.network 10 points 11 hours ago

Or don't even try too. Wish they tried to copy infrastructure improvements or high speed rail. All we get is more money to corporations to do absolutely nothing

[–] Quill7513@slrpnk.net 5 points 9 hours ago

i have my frustration with the Chinese state appartus, but the one thing you can't say about them is that they're incompetent.

we can get into talks about whether or not the incompetence the modern american governance mechanisms are illusory in service of kleptocracy or not, but ultimately, the American state apparatus is following the same pattern of dynastic rise and fall you see across the nothern hemisphere for the last 16000 years.

i just hope that for FUCKING once a group will rehash the salt and iron debates and pick salt, like GODDAMMIT why always with the imperialism!?!?

[–] altkey@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 13 hours ago

First as a tragedy, then as a farce.

[–] 4am@lemmy.zip 6 points 11 hours ago (2 children)

I’m starting to believe a lot of the bad we hear about China is at best overblown and at worst completely fucking made up.

Remember all the articles predicting their doom because they built “ghost cities” and “trains to nowhere” and now they’re all actual cities with employed populations and there is high speed rail everywhere?

Yeah since 9/11 we’ve only had liars in charge seeing how much they can milk all of us, and apparently America really does have great ties because they’re still honkin and we’re still letting em.

Anyway since we can’t tell what’s true and what’s a lie thanks to the “state dept” propaganda I’m just gonna go ahead and say that the most advanced country on earth is probably way ahead of the USA.

[–] Tja@programming.dev 1 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

There are also ghost cities that basically got demolished, like dozens of skyscrapers one after the other.

Two counties can be bad at the same time, not everything has to be nalck and white. China can suck also when the US sucks. China can even suck despite doing a lot of cool things.

[–] Rekorse@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 hour ago

At least they are trying to solve problems for their people. I'm okay with some ideas failing if they keep working at solutions.

[–] spaghettiwestern@sh.itjust.works 14 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago)

With our current dotard leadership it's surprising they haven't banned routers completely.

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[–] REDACTED@infosec.pub 37 points 16 hours ago (3 children)

There are routers made in US?

[–] ClipperDefiance@lemmy.world 23 points 13 hours ago

According to the BBC, the one exception is the newer Starlink Wi-Fi router, which the company says is manufactured in Texas.

This is exasperating.

[–] halcyoncmdr@piefed.social 46 points 16 hours ago (2 children)

No. Which is the point. Everything has to be approved manually with no specific criteria so they can arbitrarily make the decisions they want.

[–] Munkisquisher@lemmy.nz 25 points 15 hours ago (3 children)

And in the trump economy, that includes paying a hefty bribe for approval

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[–] FE80@lemmy.world 7 points 13 hours ago

Cisco, Juniper, and Arista are US companies. The actual manufacturing is doubtlessly somewhere in Asia though.

[–] Shirasho@lemmings.world 24 points 15 hours ago (5 children)

What happened to small government?

[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 4 points 9 hours ago

Small government meant, as usual, the other guys.

Their government can piss away as much money and get as big and invasive as they want.

[–] YiddishMcSquidish@lemmy.today 19 points 14 hours ago (2 children)

I live in probably one of the reddest states, and it's always been hypocrisy. Republicans are lying out of their lower lie holes every fucking time they open their mouths.

Every single Republican politician and voter is a purely evil person.

[–] NocturnalMorning@lemmy.world 11 points 13 hours ago (4 children)

Politician, sure. But people are easily duped, especially when they're uneducated. That doesn't make them evil, especially when there's a multi-billion dollar disinformation network constantly trying to mislead them.

[–] mic_check_one_two@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

At what point does ignorance cross into willful ignorance? And at what point does willful ignorance become malicious? It’s a blurry line, to be sure.

[–] HoopyFrood@lemmy.zip 7 points 12 hours ago

It crosses into willful ignorance once they reject an empathetic articulation of the information and they become malicious at roughly the same time. Though this is less “becomes” so much as “is revealed to be” i think

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[–] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 3 points 9 hours ago

It's always been imaginary. They think that private property is a natural right, so a government with lots of soldiers and police is small.

The founding fathers loved small government that defended their teensy little slave plantations. They passionately argued about freedom with other rich white men.

Everyone who honestly wants small government eventually realizes that none was ever necessary at all.

[–] bountygiver@lemmy.ml 4 points 11 hours ago

The small government means they want the government to not stop them from doing 1 very specific state rights

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[–] TheTechnician27@lemmy.world 24 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago) (2 children)

There is an exemption for products that the Department of Defense or the Department of Homeland Security have granted "Conditional Approval" after finding these devices do not pose such unacceptable risks. Router makers can apply to the FCC to get on the approved list.

Wow, what an insane coincidence it's exactly those two departments and no one else. Golly, I wonder why. (Edit: To clarify, if you're going to do this stupid, posturing bullshit, I "get" the DoD because of the NSA, and DHS has CISA. Just really no one else? Seems like consolidating more control.)

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[–] mechoman444@lemmy.world 1 points 8 hours ago

Do as I say not as I do... Or some shit.

[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 11 points 16 hours ago (1 children)
[–] YiddishMcSquidish@lemmy.today 7 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

They are the defacto bones of the Internet purely for their legacy. The company is so glut with inefficiency.

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[–] toiletobserver@lemmy.world 5 points 13 hours ago
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