The pope should invite thiel to the vatican to discuss his views and then just capture him and burn him at the stake
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What if he doesn’t burn, per se, more like melts
CS Lewis seething from the grave that the actual existing Christians went for Tolkien instead
Turns out the entire world hinging on the fate of a magical ring was more believable than Lion Christ
I guess we have no choice
Time to get the evil men of the east up in here
So, not to defend Tolkien here, I'll be the first to admit that his books have A LOT of reactionary undercurrents, despite personally having enjoyed them. But there is a scene in the original books (that I think got cut in the theatrical release of the movies) where Sam finds the body of an Easterling and realizes that the guy probably wasn't "evil", but just a normal guy with a home and a family who likely got drafted into this conflict to fight with Sauron without even knowing who that was or why the war was being fought.
It was definitely cut from both versions of the movies
And I have seen the extended editions
It's in the extended edition of the Two Towers here
Well shit, i should watch them again
Did not recall that being in there
I found a YouTube link in your comment. Here are links to the same video on alternative frontends that protect your privacy:
I think it does show up in the director's cut but they have Faramir say it instead of Sam. But it was pretty dumb to cut it out completely cuz it does establish that the humans who allied with Sauron aren't inherently evil, they just allied with him for geopolitical reasons. They also cut out a scene where Sam overhears some Orcs complaining that they hate serving in Sauron's army and would prefer to return to a life of banditry and looting if they could, which was also dumb.
I'm not a super lore master, but it's my understanding that a lot of Sauron's allies like some of the hill tribes join him because the people of the west were colonisers that kicked them out of their land in the first place. So obv Sauron is evil, but the kingdoms like Gondor gave people plenty of reason to want to fight them.
The dunlendings used to live on the land that is now Rohan. The rohirrim descended down from the north and kicked them out. Those dunlendings are the hill tribes.
The Haradrim and Gondor had been fighting over harondor and the surrounding area forever.
The Rhunnic tribes and Gondor had been fighting over the northeastern border forever too. I think Aragorn led a campaign against them shortly after the war of the ring.
When the Numenorians landed in eriador they kicked out the local enedwaith peoples.
They're colonizing hella
Yeah, gondor sucking is part of why tolkien never wrote a sequel to lotr. He was pretty much like "yeah theyre gonna go evil again within a century lol"
I'm not a lore expert either but yeah I think it is established that some of the Easterling kingdoms primarily allied with Sauron due to previous conflicts with Gondor.
I am and that is the broad strokes. It is also possible that some were still ruled by the dark Numenoreans who worshipped morgoth who colonized the place in the 2nd age and didnt due when Numenor was sank cause they were in their colonies.
Tit for tat, we'll just make an eco
and call it Fangorn
Tolkien would approve:
There is only one bright spot and that is the growing habit of disgruntled men of dynamiting factories and power stations
There's also the black metal band found by the Nazi snow ape.