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[–] Prove_your_argument@piefed.social 186 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

This is just their way of saying they want state sponsored backdoors into all private home networks.

[–] OwOarchist@pawb.social 87 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Or, guess what, the next thing will be that all new domestically produced routers will require ID verification before they'll connect.

[–] NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 27 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)
[–] tyrant@lemmy.world 24 points 3 weeks ago

With screenshots of your systems sent and analyzed by ai

[–] Venator@lemmy.nz 14 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Please drink verification can

Side note: I thought that meme was from idiocracy, but apparently it's actually from a 4chan greentext and I had made a false memory of it being in the movie 😅

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[–] floquant@lemmy.dbzer0.com 27 points 3 weeks ago

They don't want to, they already have it and just don't want people to be able to avoid it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communications_Assistance_for_Law_Enforcement_Act

requiring that telecommunications carriers and manufacturers of telecommunications equipment modify and design their equipment, facilities, and services to ensure that they have built-in capabilities for targeted surveillance

[–] TowardsTheFuture@lemmy.zip 120 points 3 weeks ago (6 children)

… does America even manufacture routers?

[–] empireOfLove2@lemmy.dbzer0.com 74 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

We don't lol

Electronics manufacture of any kind has been heavily outsourced since at least 1995.

[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 19 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

That only means we're going to take over a country that makes routers.

[–] n7gifmdn@lemmy.ca 9 points 3 weeks ago

Greenfield makes routers right? Or is it Iceland? My hands are Huuuuuge!

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[–] veroxii@aussie.zone 17 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Time to dust off the old US Robotics 14.4k sportster.

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[–] teft@piefed.social 69 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

If foreign made routers pose a severe cybersecurity risk then why would you let the current ones on the market stay? If they were truly a problem you'd remove them from the market, not grandfather them.

But like everything with this capricious administration the real reason they're doing this is probably because someone greased their palms.

[–] InnerScientist@lemmy.world 18 points 3 weeks ago

doesn't cover ISP or commercial equipment

The foreign backdoors will stay for critical infrastructure

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[–] gibmiser@lemmy.world 53 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Conditional approvals - it's a bribe scheme. Companies can ask for exceptions. Sure they wouldn't Grease any palms...

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[–] hperrin@lemmy.ca 52 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Awesome. So what used to be a $50 router is about to be a $150 router. Great.

[–] some_designer_dude@lemmy.world 30 points 3 weeks ago

And it’s going to suck BALLS

[–] cmnybo@discuss.tchncs.de 11 points 3 weeks ago (6 children)

$150 will get you a mini PC that you can run OPNsense on. Hopefully they don't ban WiFi access points next.

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[–] Rivalarrival@lemmy.today 49 points 3 weeks ago (5 children)

This only applies to routers.

It's not widely known outside the ham radio community, but part of the 2.4GHz wifi band overlaps the 13cm amateur radio band. If you turn off 5GHz wifi and lock the 2.4GHz AP to Channel 1, it qualifies as a ham radio, and can be sold as a ham radio instead of an AP/Router. You do need a ham radio license to operate it as a Ham AP, but you do not need a license to buy a Ham AP.

If the end user wants to turn on 5GHz after the fact, there is not a damn thing the FCC can do about it.

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[–] gwl@lemmy.blahaj.zone 46 points 3 weeks ago (14 children)

The excuse that it's for security reasons just immediately falls apart when you get to this part of the article:

The notice from the FCC states that companies can apply for conditional approval for new products from the Department of War or the Department of Homeland Security. However, that requires the businesses to provide a plan for shifting at least some of their manufacturing to the US in order to receive that conditional approval.

So it's fine to supposedly threaten national security if you do some more manufacturing in the US? Uh-huh. How does that balance out exactly?

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[–] DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works 45 points 3 weeks ago (25 children)

Next up, foreign VPNs and shortwave radios are illegal to use.

Then phone calls are restricted.

Then international mail has to be inspected and censored.

All hail Chairman Trump!

USA USA 👊🇺🇸🔥

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[–] Pulsar@lemmy.world 36 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

The only explanation that makes sense to me is that this is a law to:

  1. get bribes or favors from telecom equipment manufacturers.
  2. Create a framework to force backdoors into consumer equipment.
  3. Force users to use ISP provided equipment.
[–] notthebees@reddthat.com 11 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

ISP provided equipment is also made outside of the US. This affects way more than just telecom stuff

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[–] melsaskca@lemmy.ca 30 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Even more isolationism. Knowing how the usa works, they discovered the equipment was set up for spying on their people and they want all of that "spying on their own people" power for themselves.

[–] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 9 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

they want all of that “spying on their own people” power for themselves.

My assumption as well, after after the video release in the Guthrie case, we know objectively that every device with a microphone or camera and a wireless connection is spying on us and feeding the data to the US government without a warrant too.

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[–] homes@piefed.world 30 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

WHAT

I am really fucking glad I recently bought a high-end router, holy shit

[–] Paranoidfactoid@lemmy.world 27 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (4 children)

I can understand the FTC being involved because trade. But the FCC? Maybe regulatory authority over WiFi? But this seems like massive over reach.

Remember when conservatives claimed to support smaller government?

[–] DarkFuture@lemmy.world 20 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Remember when conservatives claimed to support smaller government?

I only remember when conservatives lied everytime they opened their mouths.

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[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 26 points 3 weeks ago

Force consumers into US made, AI-laden, crappy hardware full of backdoors for the regime.

[–] 0_o7@lemmy.dbzer0.com 26 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

Gold colored Trump Router incoming

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[–] tabular@lemmy.world 21 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (3 children)

Only US allowed to spy on it's denizens!!1

People not being sure what their router is actually doing is the issue. Instead of hoping for local manufactoring why not mandate against black box software running on the router? Mandate routers come with schematics like all electronics used to do? Promote computer literacy while you're at it.

[–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 15 points 3 weeks ago

But that would be a sensible approch and strengthen the consumer. Not in the interest of the oligarchy.

[–] bearboiblake@pawb.social 9 points 3 weeks ago

Sorry, are you expecting the government, which is owned and controlled by the ruling class, to make legal changes which would go against their own interests? Haven't you been paying attention?

If you want change, there's only one way for us to get it, and it's through a social revolution.

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[–] Taleya@aussie.zone 18 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Consumer grade.

Because if they try and ban cisco they'll collapse

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[–] Zedd_Prophecy@lemmy.world 17 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Build your own open WRT router or get one of theirs. It's the best way to go and you don't get dragged through the monthly fee wringer for stupid child security or other stuff that is not well designed.

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[–] Codpiece@feddit.uk 16 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

First routers, then foreign operating systems, then cars…

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[–] w3ird_sloth@lemmy.world 15 points 3 weeks ago

Use openwrt.

[–] ieGod@lemmy.zip 14 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

You can always get your own non-router hardware of significantly higher quality and run PFSense or similar for an end result that blows any consumer grade router out of the water. Unless they start banning all PCs this is the better way to go anyway.

[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 9 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

Yes. I run OPNsense and it's very good, and all you need is a machine with two or more Ethernet ports. But this option is becoming more expensive with the crazy prices of RAM and storage.

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[–] echodot@feddit.uk 13 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Does the US really make their own routers pretty much all electronics come from the China.

I suspect what's going to happen is that the components will come from China and then some white label manufacturer will just put them together in the US, therefore they were "made" in the US so are okay. But it'll be literally the same chips and circuit board and firmware as before.

[–] Big_Boss_77@fedinsfw.app 9 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Won't even assemble them... they'll just buy, slap a made in USA and branding sticker, rebox, and sell at a 150% markup

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[–] itisileclerk@lemmy.world 11 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

But in fact USA and Israel are the countries that spy on anyone. I am more concern about USA and Israel spying than from India and China. In this point in history USA and Israel are the enemy of the world.

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[–] Zwuzelmaus@feddit.org 11 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

Outsourcing of manufactoring work is forbidden now? LOL

[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 16 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

It's that, and also an invitation to bribery, and also a demand for surveillance backdoors. And your router may need your biometric data to protect the children (but not from billionaire pedophiles).

[–] apftwb@lemmy.world 11 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

TPLink needed to get their shit in order for years. This has been cooking since 2019. However, this administration is just turned it into a bribery scheme.

[–] YiddishMcSquidish@lemmy.today 9 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Unintentionally shutting down ai data centers. Lol, we know this will only be selectively enforced!

[–] boonhet@sopuli.xyz 9 points 3 weeks ago (6 children)

Well it does say consumer-grade. Not sure what the reasoning there is, as backdoors in enterprise equipment would be much worse for national security

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