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Like that red priest who could, for some reason, revive Dondarrion (and only dondarrion for some reason) whenever he died. Gambo thrones would have been ten times the show if it had like, at least twice as much of that sort of thing going on

Instead we just got ten seasons of boring people making terrible choices and two spinoffs where they could have showed more magical nonsense but didn't (at least for knight of the seven kingdoms, i haven't watched all of Dragon House yet)

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[–] InexplicableLunchFiend@hexbear.net 5 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago) (2 children)

the books did have a lot more of that, most of it was cut for the show

much more time warging

tons more prophecies

marwyn the mage

lots more with glass candles and the cult of starry wisdom

euron greyjoy is magical and eldritch in his villainy and is foreshadowed to cause the 2nd long night be calling down a meteor strike

there's merfolk called squishers and they are real and eat people. Biter is a half-breed with one such creature

the white walkers are more ghosty and ethereal and less zombie guys

[–] LeeeroooyJeeenkiiins@hexbear.net 2 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

the 2nd long night

Is that the long night in the show or is it implying another long night after the imminent confrontation

Sorry i don't read things i just read things about things

[–] InexplicableLunchFiend@hexbear.net 2 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago)

the long night of the show. It doesn't happen naturally or magically from the white walkers, it's a blacked out sky from a massive meteor like the one that killed the dinosaurs. It already happened before is how we know, the original long night coincides with the Bloodstone Emperor calling down a meteor and then worshipping it in the World of Ice and Fire, it's how the Great Empire of the Dawn was destroyed (the proto-Valyrian dragon riding empire). The Children of the Forest also call down the Hammer of the Waters and split the arm of Dorne.

[–] LeeeroooyJeeenkiiins@hexbear.net 1 points 16 hours ago

there's merfolk called squishers

Dude what the fuck this is awesome

I want a fucking spin off show about mr crabbs not fucking Duncan "the tall" (he's no EIGHT FEET)

[–] ephemeral@hexbear.net 5 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

I'm still pissed we didn't get Lady Stoneheart in the show

[–] LeeeroooyJeeenkiiins@hexbear.net 5 points 17 hours ago

for some reason I totally thought they did but it was in a lame and diminished capacity but now that I think about it no I don't think she was there at all

like, see? low fantasy sucks I need SOME fucking wiz-biz or else it's just peasant and knight bullshit

[–] MasterBlaster@lemmygrad.ml 9 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

Personal opinion of/c but GOTs identity kinda strives on being the grounded 'realistic' & edgy fantasy.

The novel series plays with unreliable narrators and historical distortion under medieval level historians a lot more, leading some fans to theorize that the world isn't magical, but rather a sort of regressed sci-fi world, with observed magical abilities plausibly being sci-fi concepts related to genetics instead of prophecy.

IMO, it does take a brilliant writer to create a world textured enough that people can dispute the nature of it all, within its own genre conventions.

[–] RNAi@hexbear.net 3 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

How is a hundreds km long wall of ice made of sci-fi? Or literal dragons?

[–] MasterBlaster@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago)

Dragons are easy. They're just animals in this world. That isn't even divorced from the actual, textual origin of dragons in ASOIAF. GRRM put a lot of effort into making sure his designs resembled 'real animals' and the world is also inhabited by non fire breathing dragons that seem entirely naturalistic and could've been a base species bred into modern dragons.

The ice wall or shadow babies or Jon's resurrection all have their associated sci fi explanations, from self-servicing forgotten technology to telekinesis, an important piece of context to this theory is that GRRM has previously written about all of these things under a sci-fi lens. GOTs time travel plot is almost 1:1 copied from a sci-fi work of his dealing with hive minds and sending memories through time.

The story is fantasy, to be sure, but I think its a damn good one to inspire these sorts of ideas.

[–] Salem@hexbear.net 3 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

There was a line in Fullmetal Alchemist: Conquerer of Shamballa, where Edward Elric and Mabusa (a filmmaker) were having a conversation about other worlds/parallel theory and the conversation mentioned "what if Alchemy prevailed" and treated it as a magic system.

Paraphrasing, Edward responds that we wouldn't know the difference since it'd be another technology for people to use. It wouldn't be magic it would be mundane.

Part of the appeal of magic in Television/film and series is that magic is mystified, undefined, and rare. If it were commonplace then it'd have to be game-ified (i.e, mana, trinkets, runes, power level) and then the show's magic would be something like latter era seasons of Supernatural. A science unto itself with magic batteries like grace or soul power instead of an esoteric channeling of incomprehensible mysticism.

[–] miz@hexbear.net 2 points 17 hours ago

D&D worldbuilding often had this problem

[–] Formerlyfarman@hexbear.net 4 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

I want gamba thrones, were it's about anthropomorphic shrimp.

[–] LeeeroooyJeeenkiiins@hexbear.net 3 points 17 hours ago

gamba thrones where it's all about the ladies

[–] Acute_Engles@hexbear.net 7 points 21 hours ago (2 children)

I have a hard time taking the political intrigue aspect of high fantasy settings seriously. The dragons in gambo had to be introduced later on and brought into the already functioning seven kingdoms (i know they used to have dragons before)

An experienced wizard in high fantasy may as well be a dragon and it makes a lot of the politics seem futile when the court wizard can launch a missile from their hands.

I'm sure it's possible. The Malazan series does it pretty well

[–] GoodGuyWithACat@hexbear.net 5 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

Malazan: where the wizard battles are essentially missiles and interceptors going back and forth.

[–] Acute_Engles@hexbear.net 3 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

complete with all the wizards have early warning radar when their warrens get opened

[–] GoodGuyWithACat@hexbear.net 3 points 17 hours ago

And as sophisticated as the system is, they can be taken down by regular dudes in close range. So you need a traditional military to support them.

[–] LeeeroooyJeeenkiiins@hexbear.net 6 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago) (1 children)

I mean it doesn't have to be HIGH fantasy. Mid fantasy? Idk low fantasy just kinda bores me, it's like you might as well have just picked Ming China or medieval Europe or something

the politics seem futile when the court wizard can launch a missile from their hands.

I usually find that stuff interesting though, at least if it's written by a probable leftist who understands the magic stuff would impact how the world functions

[–] Acute_Engles@hexbear.net 8 points 21 hours ago

I'm pretty baked rn and i think my point was a little muddled but I'm saying i think it's really hard to write and so there are a lot of bad examples.

If you haven't checked it out, the book series "Malazan: Book of the Fallen" it's 10 books long and is very high fantasy and still has great political intrigue. Unique magic system, imperialism, slave uprisings led by the coolest fictional character in all of fantasy who basically has a final fantasy storyline leading to a fight against a god.

[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 3 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago) (2 children)

The magic is interesting because there's not much of it. If you put a lot of magic into the world then you have to do things like explain why magic isn't used in the day to day economy of the world.

The show achieves this by making magic so rare that everyone doesn't believe it is real.

If people believed and accepted magic was real then you'd have the whole of society structure around using it as part of the system, you end up with Frieren's worldbuilding instead where whole structures of society are engaged in creating a magic-using profession due to its usefulness.

Game of Thrones is a fantasy setting where the magic is disbelieved so it doesn't have the academic schools of magic you see in other fantasy settings.

[–] InexplicableLunchFiend@hexbear.net 4 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago)

All magic in Game of Thrones are forms of blood magic. It isn't common because there is often a very high cost to pay and a strict taboo against even attempting it. Look at what happened to Dany when she attempted to use blood magic to exchange a horse for Drogo's life. The horse died, her unborn baby was sacrificed too without her knowledge and Drogo lived on in a comatose state.

Then Dany did blood magic in the other direction, burning Drogo, the Witch and her miscarried child in exchange for hatching the three eggs.

Lighting the glass candles? Requires blood. Offerings to the Old Gods at the Weirwood Trees? Human sacrifices and babies. Don't get me started on how many drowned victims had to be sacrificed to create the magic that saved Patchface's life via the merfolk. Shit is inherently evil. Magic in Game of Thrones is not a neutral act, and those who practice it openly are often feared and attacked.

[–] LeeeroooyJeeenkiiins@hexbear.net 2 points 17 hours ago

but like what I wanted was for the magic-comic-back to be expanded on, like my understanding is there is a lot more of it portrayed in the books than there was in the show (but I saw the other comments mentioning that it's from the perspective of unreliable narrators) and what I want is to see how the dirt farming feudal serf society reacts to that

instead it was just like, dragons are back, magic is back maybe (??), also there's face stealers who I guess could basically do magic even with dragons extinct?? and then not much more of it and it's like ugh lame yawn

[–] Evilsandwichman@hexbear.net 3 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

The political aspects were okay, but the magic was more fascinating

But then one aspect of the setting is that most people didn't really believe in magic, dragons or the things beyond the wall; most people didn't believe in giants or the walking dead but there absolutely were giants and whitewalkers beyond the wall. Unless you lived by the wall, most people seemed skeptical.

[–] Lussy@hexbear.net 3 points 19 hours ago

I think the magic seemed fascinating because of all the political drama

[–] ClathrateG@hexbear.net 1 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

If you only seen the show and not read the books this is an reasonable position

If you've read the books and think this you are a philistine

[–] LeeeroooyJeeenkiiins@hexbear.net 2 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

I know there's supposed to be more examples of magic in the books (and like Sam is gonna be a wizard or something maybe??) but knowledge of that just makes the show presentation even more boring

[–] ClathrateG@hexbear.net 2 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago)

There's a more but its mostly background or ancient history and usually quite minor to the plot, in contrast with most other fantasy series/settings where magic/magical items are often McGuffins and the deus ex machinas. Eschewing the centrality of magic and instead focusing on very detailed worldbuilding allowing for 'realistic' portrayals of political intrigue/military conflicts and even what mundane life would be like with the implications of the setting is what made the series unique and popular even prior to the adaption

ASOIAF as always been more about the political intrigue, but in the books it is actually done well, and the depth of the world and number of fleshed out characters is impossible to translate to screen well(I'm pretty sure GRRM expressed the same opinion about its inadaptability before the show deal, and he was a screenwriter for years so he should know lol)

As for Sam at the point the book are at(which is around season 5 in the show iirc although the cutting, melding and changing of plotlines and characters makes direct comparison inaccurate, but its been a 15 year gap since the last book and there's supposed to be 2 more kitty-cri ) he just started training to become a Maester, which he does in the show but iirc they kind of rush the whole thing, their more like scientists/philosophers/alchemists than actual wizards but he is his apprenticing with a Maester who knows ravenspeach which is implied to be kind of magical, and has come into contact with Glass Candles which are basically non-evil lotr Palantirs which I don't think were in the show at all? so he is brushing up against magic a bit

But yeah magic is explicitly not the focus of ASOIAF, it's basically war of the roses in a fantasy setting. The show sucks give the books a go, if its up your alley you'll be hooked after a few chapters